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Why did Jesus preach to the Spirits in "Prison" 
Author: Shermana 
Posted: 03/13/2011 05:49 PM 
 
Did Jesus try to help save the souls of those who fell from Heaven in Genesis 6? What's the point, if they're already in hell?

1 Peter 3








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For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whomd also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledgee of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him




Bonus question: Are "authorities" and "powers" (powers as in "Miraculous powers", dunameon) a redundant way of saying human authority...or is it possibly related to the old "Angelogies" of "powers", and "dominions", since "Angels" is the concept of who is submissive to him?


 
Author: earl 
Posted: 03/13/2011 06:25 PM 
 
Christian beliefs imply that hell is the final destination after judgement for the wicked persons who now must suffer the consequences of their actions.Their placement there is final and no a appeals from the courts are permitted.They have been judged.

The act of Jesus meeting with disobedient spirit personalities who are under restriction and possibly offering mercy to those who may repent of their wicked actions is not by my observation a final judgement upon these disobedient ones .

The christian hell and this prison detention where travel is restricted are apparently two different places.The two are not the same for one place is for the detainees not yet judged and the other is for the already judged.


Re: Why did Jesus preach to the Spirits in "Prison" 
Author: JehovahsWitness 
Posted: 03/13/2011 06:50 PM 
 








Shermana wrote:
Did Jesus try to help save the souls of those who fell from Heaven in Genesis 6? What's the point, if they're already in hell?

1 Peter 3








Quote:
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whomd also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledgee of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him




Bonus question: Are "authorities" and "powers" (powers as in "Miraculous powers", dunameon) a redundant way of saying human authority...or is it possibly related to the old "Angelogies" of "powers", and "dominions", since "Angels" is the concept of who is submissive to him?



At no point did Peter use the word translated in most English bibles as "hell" (hades) and there is no reason to believe that this verse is speaking of hell since it is biblically associated with inactivity rather than activity.


 
Author: Shermana 
Posted: 03/13/2011 06:57 PM 
 
Who are these spirits and why are they thus imprisoned?


 
Author: earl 
Posted: 03/13/2011 08:49 PM 
 








Shermana wrote:
Who are these spirits and why are they thus imprisoned?




This is a personal view and probably not consistent with mainstream christianity.
Revelation 12 states there is a red dragon having 7 heads and 10 horns.
This dragon is mentioned as singular and as a group consisting of a multitude of angels or spirits or both consisting of 1/3 rd. of heaven.The reading Rev.12 and 13.is not very consistent as the dragon is also called a serphent and devil-singular.
The dragon in ch.13 is stated to have blasphemed meaning the dragon has called himself God or equal to him-this then is like a deciever to mankind making himself God.
The deciever spearheading this rebellion drew 1/3 rd. of angels and spirits with his deception meaning 1/3 rd. of heaven's population defected from the will of God.
These defectors and rebels and even the ones who tormented mankind may at the time of Peter's writings be in prison as Jude also states in his 6th. verse until their judgement.

They are in prison because they followed a blasphemer's belief.


 
Author: myth-one.com 
Posted: 03/13/2011 09:41 PM 
 








Shermana wrote:
Who are these spirits and why are they thus imprisoned?


Re: Why did Jesus preach to the Spirits in "Prison" 
Author: Adstar 
Posted: 03/14/2011 01:45 AM 
 








Shermana wrote:
Did Jesus try to help save the souls of those who fell from Heaven in Genesis 6? What's the point, if they're already in hell?

1 Peter 3








Quote:
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whomd also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledgee of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him




Bonus question: Are "authorities" and "powers" (powers as in "Miraculous powers", dunameon) a redundant way of saying human authority...or is it possibly related to the old "Angelogies" of "powers", and "dominions", since "Angels" is the concept of who is submissive to him?



Jesus went to those who where formerly rebellious to give them the message of the gospel and give them an opportunity to accept it and be saved. The Spirits where dead human beings. Like the verse says who where rebellious in the former times. times of Noah is given as an example. The ones who where rebellious in the times of Noah where the people living in the times of Noah.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days


 
Author: DeBunkem 
Posted: 03/17/2011 02:36 AM 
 
The spirits in "prison" shows a classical Greek clergy hand here. From Greek mythology:









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Tartarus From Wikipedia

In classic mythology, below Uranus (sky), Gaia (earth), and Pontus (sea) is Tartarus, or Tartaros (Greek Τάρταρος, deep place). It is a deep, gloomy place, a pit, or an abyss used as a dungeon of torment and suffering that resides beneath the underworld. In the Gorgias, Plato (c. 400 BC) wrote that souls were judged after death and those who received punishment were sent to Tartarus.

Like other primal entities (such as the earth and time), Tartarus is also a primordial force or deity.



I toss in this disclaimer, also Wikipedia:









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In the New Testament the noun Tartarus does not occur but tartaroo (ταρταρόω, "throw to Tartarus") a shortened form of the classical Greek verb kata-tartaroo ("throw down to Tartarus") does appear in 2 Peter 2:4.



Prison was a place of suffering, torture, and restraint.


 
Author: rstrats 
Posted: 04/02/2011 02:18 PM 
 
earl,

re: “Christian beliefs imply that hell is the final destination after judgement for the wicked...”

Actually, according to Revelation 20:15, the “lake of fire” is the final destination. Hell had previously been tossed into the lake of fire (verse 14).


Re: Why did Jesus preach to the Spirits in "Prison" 
Author: De Maria 
Posted: 04/02/2011 09:27 PM 
 








Shermana wrote:
Did Jesus try to help save the souls of those who fell from Heaven in Genesis 6?



Who fell from heaven in 1 Pet 3?









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What's the point, if they're already in hell?



To lead them to heaven.









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1 Peter 3
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whomd also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledgee of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him



Hell is the place of the dead. It contains within it the place of the damned and the place of purification we call Purgatory. It is to those in Purgatory to which Jesus preached.









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Bonus question: Are "authorities" and "powers" (powers as in "Miraculous powers", dunameon) a redundant way of saying human authority...or is it possibly related to the old "Angelogies" of "powers", and "dominions", since "Angels" is the concept of who is submissive to him?



Both/and

Choirs of angels

Seraphim
Cherubim
Thrones
Dominions
Powers
Virtues
Principalaties
Archangels
Angels

And those Fathers of the Church who had gone to heaven such as Abraham.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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