Should Muslims Undergo a Religous Test for Public Office?

[Darias]

Please watch this video about GOP hopeful Herman Cain, as he clarifies his stance on Muslims:

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1. Is he (Mr. Cain) right? Why? If so, should the Constitution be amended to make exception for people of the Muslim Faith?

2. Does the GOP have any serious candidates who could actually win in 2012? Trump Cain and Palin aside?

[SomePunk]

Not as far as I'm concerned. They don't have the slightest clue as to what is going on and if they did they wouldn't be wasting their time debating petty politics.

Baseless assertions such as this aren't tolerated from Christians, but this forum seems to give people like you a free pass. Do you know what the subject of politics is? When you debate politics, you debate the issues and policies that shape our society, whether it be national security, energy, culture wars, etc. If you think debating politics is petty, the last thing you should be doing is debating in this subforum.

What are you talking about? The GOP does not have any serious candidates. McCain had his chance and blew it. He will not be getting another chance. Trump isn’t a serious candidate and neither is Palin. If they were they would have already announced that they will be running for President and they haven’t. Who do you think is a serious candidate, because they don't seem to have any.

Also, I didn’t say Politics are petty. I will explain it for you since you seem to be missing the point. I said Republicans waste their time debating “petty politics�. Meaning they waste a lot of time debating stuff that doesn’t really matter. If the GOP had any serious candidates then they would have an outline of things they think should get done and needs to be done instead of bashing other candidates or the people they will be running against. In my opinion those are petty politics, which doesn’t do anything for them, except make them sound naive.

Here is a poll on Candidates for President and Religion that just came out.

[WinePusher]

What are you talking about? The GOP does not have any serious candidates. McCain had his chance and blew it. He will not be getting another chance. Trump isn’t a serious candidate and neither is Palin. If they were they would have already announced that they will be running for President and they haven’t. Who do you think is a serious candidate, because they don't seem to have any.

In my first post in this thread I outlined the entire GOP field and provided by opinions on who has a chance and who doesn't. McCain aint running and Trump has announced that he does not plan to run, the fact is he publicly flirted with the idea of running to boost his publicity levels. Palin is a serious contender and out of all the possible GOP candidates she would be the only one who would get my vote. Guess what SomePunk, the sordid attempt to slander the Governor by rummaging through over 24000 of her past emails has completely backfired on the disgraceful left who is trying to use this as an oppurtunity to smear Palin. As reported by CNN, from the content of these emails we see a Governor who cares deeply for the troops and makes them a first priority (unlike Obama) and was striving to be the best possible Governor she could. Palin would make a better President than Obama, plain and simple.

Also, I didn’t say Politics are petty. I will explain it for you since you seem to be missing the point. I said Republicans waste their time debating “petty politics�. Meaning they waste a lot of time debating stuff that doesn’t really matter. If the GOP had any serious candidates then they would have an outline of things they think should get done and needs to be done instead of bashing other candidates or the people they will be running against. In my opinion those are petty politics, which doesn’t do anything for them, except make them sound naive.

I have subscriptions to WSJ and WaPo on my booknook and watch CNN's Situation Room, ABC and The O' Reilly Factor. Do you know what is currently being debated amoung the Republicans right now? I do know cause I make an attempt to be informed on current events, here they are: Medicare, Israel and Obama's attempt to force them into 1967 borders and The sustainability of the deficit. You got some counter-examples or do you want to show how these issues are petty? On the other side of things, let's look at what the Dems got going on. They have an outspoken congressman who lies to the media about his double love life and they spending time mis-representing republican positions on healthcare with ads showing republicans murdering old people by pushing them off a cliff. Yea, in this two party system we cling to, Republicans are far superior to Democrats.

[McCulloch]

Muslims elected to public office in the USA should be required to swear to uphold the entire Constitution of the United States of America, including the provisions guaranteeing separation of religion from law.

Non-muslims elected to public office should be required to swear to the same thing. Isn't this already a requirement? Why would there be any further requirement?

[SomePunk]

In my first post in this thread I outlined the entire GOP field and provided by opinions on who has a chance and who doesn't. McCain aint running and Trump has announced that he does not plan to run, the fact is he publicly flirted with the idea of running to boost his publicity levels. Palin is a serious contender and out of all the possible GOP candidates she would be the only one who would get my vote. Guess what SomePunk, the sordid attempt to slander the Governor by rummaging through over 24000 of her past emails has completely backfired on the disgraceful left who is trying to use this as an oppurtunity to smear Palin. As reported by CNN, from the content of these emails we see a Governor who cares deeply for the troops and makes them a first priority (unlike Obama) and was striving to be the best possible Governor she could. Palin would make a better President than Obama, plain and simple.

Palin said something about Paul Revere not to long ago and she was given the opportunity to correct herself or acknowledge that what she said was inaccurate and instead she refused to. How could anyone vote for someone like that? She is supposed to be a Christian too. I keep up on a lot of the news, not as much as I use to, but something like Palin’s e-mails? Who cares? The fact of the matter is, Palin isn’t President and Obama is. People didn't want her as Vice President much less as President. Scrutiny is something Palin isn’t good at handling and she expects to run President? HA! Yeah right.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... dates.html

I have subscriptions to WSJ and WaPo on my booknook and watch CNN's Situation Room, ABC and The O' Reilly Factor. Do you know what is currently being debated amoung the Republicans right now? I do know cause I make an attempt to be informed on current events, here they are: Medicare, Israel and Obama's attempt to force them into 1967 borders and The sustainability of the deficit. You got some counter-examples or do you want to show how these issues are petty? On the other side of things, let's look at what the Dems got going on. They have an outspoken congressman who lies to the media about his double love life and they spending time mis-representing republican positions on healthcare with ads showing republicans murdering old people by pushing them off a cliff. Yea, in this two party system we cling to, Republicans are far superior to Democrats.

I don’t agree with Republicans or Democrats on a lot of things and I think there should actually be a third, independent party. In my opinion this two party system is a load of mess and as much as most people don’t agree with Obama, the polls say different when it comes to the next Presidential election. I actually can’t think of anything Obama has done that is worth keeping him as President. He seems to be bad with Policy and other things. He actually seems better at creating a giant mess than getting anything resolved or done.

I don’t see how anyone could possibly keep a straight face when talking about congressman wiener. I was watching Stephen Colbert the other day and he was talking about Shaquille O’Neil retiring and retiring his nicknames as well. One of them was Big Diesel. Colbert basically said, good we were running out of nicknames and that is just in time to give one to congressman wiener, Big Diesel. Ha, now that is funny. How can anyone take a congressman like that seriously? I mean come on.

[WinePusher]

Palin said something about Paul Revere not to long ago and she was given the opportunity to correct herself or acknowledge that what she said was inaccurate and instead she refused to. How could anyone vote for someone like that?

Right, if gaffes were an actual determinant of the credentials a politician holds we would have thrown Obama out a long time ago.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/21/ba ... e-machine/

She is supposed to be a Christian too.

She's more Christian than any liberal candidate could ever struggle to be.

I keep up on a lot of the news, not as much as I use to, but something like Palin’s e-mails? Who cares? The fact of the matter is, Palin isn’t President and Obama is. People didn't want her as Vice President much less as President. Scrutiny is something Palin isn’t good at handling and she expects to run President? HA! Yeah right.

You're flat out wrong here. We both know Obama couldn't handle the garbage the media threw at Palin, whether it be a stalker journalist setting up camp next door, or a late night comedian making sexual jokes about his daughter, or the right wing smearing his down-syndrome child. Produce a list of how Obama was subjected to those things, or their equivalence, from the mainstream media.

I don’t agree with Republicans or Democrats on a lot of things and I think there should actually be a third, independent party. In my opinion this two party system is a load of mess and as much as most people don’t agree with Obama, the polls say different when it comes to the next Presidential election.

I have no problem with a two party system. The only scenario where a two party system could be consider "bad' is when a sizeable ideology is being excluded from government due to the inclusion of only two parties. In America, both parties represent both major ideologies (conservatism and liberalism) so I see no merit in the arguments people put forth against our two party system.

[sarabellum]

Watched the video...
Longest 3 minutes of my life.


Darius wrote..
"Should Muslims Undergo a Religous Test for Public Office?"

No.
Tests should be equal across the board...
The same requirement for all...
That is freedom.

Glenn Beck on the other hand?
He should be tested for something.

[Darias]

Look about Palin...

I voted for the McCain Palin ticket in 2008 because I watched Fox news and their perception of Obama rather than what he actually was running for. All I heard about all day was his pastor and Bill Ayers.


I like Palin as a person, she's enthusiastic, she's an icon, she's adored by many people.

But she has done things and said things which would really hurt any attempts by her to run for President.


She is a celebrity now. She has all these TV shows and stuff...

When she was running with McCain, she thought "What newspapers do you read?" was a "Got-ya question."

She couldn't even name any... I mean. I want an informed president, not an uninformed partisan who sees the world uninhibited by facts and figures...

What she said about Paul Revere wasn't a gaff or, a mis-speak, it was outright making stuff up "I don't know"

And it wouldn't have been so bad had she not been on a non-campaign/vacation bus tour honoring Americas History...

And it certainly wouldn't have been so bad if she had just said she made a mistake when asked about it on Fox. And she denied it. Aparently, Revere shot his single-shot front loading musket and rang a dinner-bell whilst on horseback all at the same time.


I don't care if shes a republican or democrat, I don't want a president who has no clue about history or current events. Sorry.

Obama's gaff about 57 states doesn't erase what Sara Palin did or said... and yes it was dumb but he meant to say 47 states, and one more state left to go, -- not counting Alaska and Hawaii as he wasn't going to those states...

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It was clearly a gaff --- a rare sight coming from Obama.





Palin was just making stuff up and denied it... that's the difference.


You'll find a lot of Republicans who won't take her seriously either. It's not just a Left thing or an Independent thing...


She quit her governor job early and she hasn't declared she is running yet --- because that would mean all her reality shows would have to stop...

If Palin is the best the GOP has, then get ready for Obama's second term... that's all I have to say...

[SomePunk]

You'll find a lot of Republicans who won't take her seriously either. It's not just a Left thing or an Independent thing...


She quit her governor job early and she hasn't declared she is running yet --- because that would mean all her reality shows would have to stop...

If Palin is the best the GOP has, then get ready for Obama's second term... that's all I have to say...

That is the problem with Palin running for President. There are republicans and independents that would vote for Obama over Palin if she actually ran for President.

[SomePunk]

Palin said something about Paul Revere not to long ago and she was given the opportunity to correct herself or acknowledge that what she said was inaccurate and instead she refused to. How could anyone vote for someone like that?

Right, if gaffes were an actual determinant of the credentials a politician holds we would have thrown Obama out a long time ago.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/21/ba ... e-machine/

Obama ran on change, maybe his opinion about things change too. Palin's opinion doesn't. She is all bark with no bite.

I keep up on a lot of the news, not as much as I use to, but something like Palin’s e-mails? Who cares? The fact of the matter is, Palin isn’t President and Obama is. People didn't want her as Vice President much less as President. Scrutiny is something Palin isn’t good at handling and she expects to run President? HA! Yeah right.

You're flat out wrong here. We both know Obama couldn't handle the garbage the media threw at Palin, whether it be a stalker journalist setting up camp next door, or a late night comedian making sexual jokes about his daughter, or the right wing smearing his down-syndrome child. Produce a list of how Obama was subjected to those things, or their equivalence, from the mainstream media.

Just about all major media news outlets are bias. It doesn't matter if they are republican, conservative, democrat, liberal, whatever.

I don’t agree with Republicans or Democrats on a lot of things and I think there should actually be a third, independent party. In my opinion this two party system is a load of mess and as much as most people don’t agree with Obama, the polls say different when it comes to the next Presidential election.

I have no problem with a two party system. The only scenario where a two party system could be consider "bad' is when a sizeable ideology is being excluded from government due to the inclusion of only two parties. In America, both parties represent both major ideologies (conservatism and liberalism) so I see no merit in the arguments people put forth against our two party system.

The problem with a two party system is no one is ever right if everyone is always wrong. Things don't get done or resolved like they should. If you know what the constitutional convention is, it help to set up a national government and had the help of a third party or state to help sort out some of the differences between larger states and smaller states. Third parties actually make a difference and can help with resolving a lot of issues. Not only that, but over 40% of voters are independent. That is a large group of people. Not everyone is stuck or set on one political ideology.

[Wootah]

I think a cold war with Islam is under way, if not imminent. I do personally believe that any practising Muslim is only loyal to Allah/Mohammad and most importantly Sharia. I think the jihad mentality is a switch that is clearly possible to be turned on.

I think it takes only some honesty from the young turks to look at the facts right now in the world. Life under Islam appears to suck for everyone and not just the minorities. If religion wasn't involved and your next door neighbour made his women dress that way we would have the police involved.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

It's the sharia, the enshrining of 7th century values that is the problem. If your loyalty isn't to the country or is suspect then I would not hire you for those types of roles. My heart breaks for Muslims but outreach doesn't mean giving them your house and if you know (and we know what they teach) why is it even debatable?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44147