FEMALE PRIESTS & PRIEST MARRIAGE

[reality101]

I pose to you all 2 questions today:

1) Should women be allowed to serve the priesthood?

My personel thought is no for one personel experience.
I went to the Holy Thursday mass at the Basillica of St.Peter and Paul in Phily, Note in the Roman Catholic church the Holy thursday Mass is one of the most highly sacred in the liturgical year. During the Eucarist, the most sacred part of any mass, a woman stood up and started chanting and yelling that woman should be priests. She was not alone she was part of a organization for that cause. it doesnt make sense to me how you can want o be a priest to worship God but can have such disrespec as to interupt the most sacred part of a mass on a sacred day. It seemds like its more self obsorbed in motive than anything

and the second question:
2) Should priests be allowed to marry?

I also believe the answer to this is no. A priest is supposed to be entirly devoted to the priesthood, to God, and to the people he serves. Having a relationship would cause a conflict in interest cause a man is supposed to be devoed entirly to his wife and family and as i said these could easily come into conflict.

[reality101]

A brief aside:

5) muhammad was a profit not Allah "there is no god but allah and muhammed is his profit" that is one of the 6 fundemental beliefs of islam i cant remember what it is called

They are called pillar and there are five of them:

1) The belief that "there is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his prophet".
2) Salat; prayer towards Mecca at the five prescribed times a day.
3) Observance of Ramadan (An entire month during which muslims take no food or drink during daylight hours. Daylight ends when one can no longer distinguish a black thread from a white thread.)
4) Performance of the Hajj at least once in a muslim's life. This is the pilgrimage to Mecca, and a holdover from Arabia's pagan days. In Mecca is the Ka'ba, a square building that houses the Black Stone, which is possibly a piece of meteorite. This is what muslims are pilgrimaging to and orienting their salat towards.
5) Giving alms to the poor.

ya i know what they are i studied them as part of my college major, i just cant think of the actual name for each of them (the "6" was a typo)

[McCulloch]

the church is technically exempt from almost all laws exept its own

This is not true. The church is subject to the criminal code and the building code.

i said almost all laws

I would think that if you were to review all of the laws passed where you live and counted the number that churches were exempt from, you would find that that the church is not exempt from "almost all" of them. In fact, there would be very few laws that the church is exempt from.

a church can claim sanctuary and not allow police etc in to capture a fugitive without any risk of punishment under law if the pastor chooses too

That raises the question. Should religion work like diplomatic immunity? I believe not.

the term is actually religious immunity

Diplomatic immunity is the idea that ambassadors and other diplomatic employees of a foreign country are not subject to the laws of the host country while they are there on diplomatic business. My question was, should religious organizations be granted the same kind of immunity from local laws. You did not answer.

Back on topic:

the church has not reason to no ordain based on race or ethnicity but it gender and marital status on the other hand, has good reason too example: marraige takes away from the total commitment to god and the priesthood and Jesus chose 12 men to be the first priests i think if he wanted women to be ordained he would have chosen at least one

Apparently, he did choose at least one married man. However, all that your example proves is that Jesus was sexist. Just because Jesus did a wrong thing should not exempt it. Why should religions be exempt from our societies' human rights rules?

Jesus does not make mistakes

Well, not any more. He's been dead for quite a while. If Jesus did not ever make any mistakes and Jesus was sexist, then being sexist is OK and we should revoke our anti-sexism laws.

Why shouldn't married priests be allowed? Jesus chose at least one apostle who was married.

Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

When Jesus came into Peter's home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever.

Did Jesus make a mistake in choosing Cephas (Peter)?

Should bigamy be allowed because Mohammad practiced it?

muhammad was a profit not Allah "there is no god but allah and muhammed is his profit" that is one of the 6 fundemental beliefs of islam i cant remember what it is called

I think that you have mistaken the word profit for the word prophet. You would not have been the first.

Your argument that the Roman Catholic church should be exempt from the laws of our countries seems to be based on the fact that the one that it claims to be the founder of the church practiced something that would have been against these laws. Why then should not Islam get the same kind of exemption for bigamy? How can you say that Muslims in your country should be prevented from their practice of bigamy but Catholics in your country should be allowed to practice discrimination against women and married persons?

[reality101]

the church is technically exempt from almost all laws exept its own

This is not true. The church is subject to the criminal code and the building code.

i said almost all laws

I would think that if you were to review all of the laws passed where you live and counted the number that churches were exempt from, you would find that that the church is not exempt from "almost all" of them. In fact, there would be very few laws that the church is exempt from.

a church can claim sanctuary and not allow police etc in to capture a fugitive without any risk of punishment under law if the pastor chooses too

That raises the question. Should religion work like diplomatic immunity? I believe not.

the term is actually religious immunity

Diplomatic immunity is the idea that ambassadors and other diplomatic employees of a foreign country are not subject to the laws of the host country while they are there on diplomatic business. My question was, should religious organizations be granted the same kind of immunity from local laws. You did not answer.

Back on topic:

the church has not reason to no ordain based on race or ethnicity but it gender and marital status on the other hand, has good reason too example: marraige takes away from the total commitment to god and the priesthood and Jesus chose 12 men to be the first priests i think if he wanted women to be ordained he would have chosen at least one

Apparently, he did choose at least one married man. However, all that your example proves is that Jesus was sexist. Just because Jesus did a wrong thing should not exempt it. Why should religions be exempt from our societies' human rights rules?

Jesus does not make mistakes

Well, not any more. He's been dead for quite a while. If Jesus did not ever make any mistakes and Jesus was sexist, then being sexist is OK and we should revoke our anti-sexism laws.

Why shouldn't married priests be allowed? Jesus chose at least one apostle who was married.

Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

When Jesus came into Peter's home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever.

Did Jesus make a mistake in choosing Cephas (Peter)?

Should bigamy be allowed because Mohammad practiced it?

muhammad was a profit not Allah "there is no god but allah and muhammed is his profit" that is one of the 6 fundemental beliefs of islam i cant remember what it is called

I think that you have mistaken the word profit for the word prophet. You would not have been the first.

Your argument that the Roman Catholic church should be exempt from the laws of our countries seems to be based on the fact that the one that it claims to be the founder of the church practiced something that would have been against these laws. Why then should not Islam get the same kind of exemption for bigamy? How can you say that Muslims in your country should be prevented from their practice of bigamy but Catholics in your country should be allowed to practice discrimination against women and married persons?

i did answer the question i said that it is called religious immunity. it is basically the same as diplomatic immunity

priests should not be allowed to marry because as i have said before. priests are supposed to be fully devoted to the priesthood and families would be a conflict in interest. marraige was different in Jesus age and this was not an issue. also priests are supposed to attempt to be like christ not the apostles and christ did not marry

yes prophet my mistake

religious bigamy is allowed in the united states but the law will only recognize ONE wife as power of attorney and inheritence etc

[McCulloch]

i did answer the question i said that it is called religious immunity. it is basically the same as diplomatic immunity

But can you tell me why you believe that religious organizations should be granted immunity?

priests should not be allowed to marry because as i have said before. priests are supposed to be fully devoted to the priesthood and families would be a conflict in interest. marraige was different in Jesus age and this was not an issue. also priests are supposed to attempt to be like christ not the apostles and christ did not marry

In what way was marriage different in Jesus age? Is it not possible for a modern priest to have a marriage as taught by Jesus and the apostles?

religious bigamy is allowed in the united states but the law will only recognize ONE wife as power of attorney and inheritence etc

That's news to me. Thanks. So as long as my first wife remains my legal wife for purposes of power of attorney and inheritance, I could marry a few more wives so long as I did not attempt to deceive any of them, and they all consented and my religion permitted it? Wow! I did not expect to find such tolerance in the Republican States of America.

[Catharsis]

Orthodox priests are allowed to marry (and majority are married), as it is part of apostolic tradition. To adhere to celibacy is contrary to tradition.

[Rayosun]

I believe that those opposed to a church's stated fundamental doctrine should associate themselves with a different church.

Who's "stated fundamental doctrine"? Benedict XVI's ? or John Paul I, who was as extremely liberal in his view of what the stated fundamental doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church should be as John Paul II and Benedict XVI have been conservative.
See http://CatholicArrogance.Org/murderedpope , which shows how the conservatives got to be the ones to "state the fundamental doctrine of their church" by murdering as many as 8 of their liberal counterparts in the late 1970's.

May I suggest that murdering popes and cardinals is more worthy of moral outrage than protesting 20 centuries of discrimination against females during mass on Holy Thursday!

[joer]

I pose to you all 2 questions today:

1) Should women be allowed to serve the priesthood?

My personel thought is no for one personel experience.
I went to the Holy Thursday mass at the Basillica of St.Peter and Paul in Phily, Note in the Roman Catholic church the Holy thursday Mass is one of the most highly sacred in the liturgical year. During the Eucarist, the most sacred part of any mass, a woman stood up and started chanting and yelling that woman should be priests. She was not alone she was part of a organization for that cause. it doesnt make sense to me how you can want o be a priest to worship God but can have such disrespec as to interupt the most sacred part of a mass on a sacred day. It seemds like its more self obsorbed in motive than anything

and the second question:
2) Should priests be allowed to marry?

I also believe the answer to this is no. A priest is supposed to be entirly devoted to the priesthood, to God, and to the people he serves. Having a relationship would cause a conflict in interest cause a man is supposed to be devoed entirly to his wife and family and as i said these could easily come into conflict.

Women should be allowed to be priests or some acceptable order with equivalent powers and responsibilities as priests like consecration and administration of the sacraments. Additionally they shouldn’t wait to be allowed. They should organize and demand it. Furthermore they should be appointed to high posts in the Vatican. This is already possible through Papal appointment BUT Pope Benedict XVI hasn't seen his was clear to do this yet. What is he waiting for?

And any male or female married or not in the Catholic should be allowed to be a priest. And they shouldn't jump ship. They should be the change their church needs to be faithful in doing God's Will.

In terms of gender discrimination within the church being allowed by the State. - Separation between Church and State. How far should it go? How has it been interpreted over the last 2000 years?

[Mark_W]

1. I do not think women should be allowed to be priests...but to clarify I should also add that I do not think men should be allowed to be priests. To further clarify, I'm not saying that we should forcefully stop people from anything, but that we should merely disregard the office of priest and not "allow" this title to hold any sway over us.

2. Should priests be allowed to marry? N/A

[joer]

1. I do not think women should be allowed to be priests...but to clarify I should also add that I do not think men should be allowed to be priests. To further clarify, I'm not saying that we should forcefully stop people from anything, but that we should merely disregard the office of priest and not "allow" this title to hold any sway over us.

2. Should priests be allowed to marry? N/A

Maybe we should change the job title and job description. Men and Women of God.? Community Spirtual Leader...CSL's? Choosen Ones? Choosen by the faithful and/or God for service to God's beings?

2. Should priests be allowed to marry?

After we change their job title and description...YES.

[Fallibleone]

If we believe that it is possible for each of us to pray to God, and if God is all around us, what is the point of a middle man?