Christian Prison

[Sir Rhetor]

http://www.au.org/media/press-releases/ ... rison.html
http://www.drudge.com/news/127323/oklah ... ian-prison

So apparently Christians saved up enough money to build their very own prison. This prison will hire only Christians, which is certainly against the law. Another important piece of information is that it is not a maximum security prison, and it will only be for prisoners at the end of their sentence.

The prison is obviously set up to be primed for proselytizers, who will share the Bible with the criminals.

Is this a good idea, or is it discriminatory, disastrous, and ironic?

[East of Eden]

You're slick as a greased up pig ain't ya?

And you're about as smart as one if you can't understand simple answers.

Are you now sufficiently prepared to actually answer my question?

Been done, obtuse one. Good theology is that which follows the teachings and example of Christ. Do you want me to post an encylopedia of Christian theology?

Then why do you keep bringing up Islam?

It was a qualifier in an answer to your silly fear that we Christians will start stoning people.

I see a common theme happening here, where when Christianity is challenged you try to avert attention over to Muslims.

Pot, meet kettle. The reverse is more often true.

I point the observer to the OP, and the fact that nowhere does it mention Islam.

Funny, I didn't see you object when I was specifically asked if I would support a similar Muslim prison.

Prove it.

I can't, it is my opinion. Like your opinion that God doesn't exist.

How can we know Jesus is God?

And I'm the one that changes subjects? Start another thread.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 43:

And you're about as smart as [a pig] if you can't understand simple answers.

And I'd bet even a pig can see when folks are trying to doge the question.

Been done, obtuse one. Good theology is that which follows the teachings and example of Christ. Do you want me to post an encylopedia of Christian theology?

How do we know Jesus speaks for God?

It was a qualifier in an answer to your silly fear that we Christians will start stoning people.

I've already said it was a metaphor for any harmful action folks may do in the name of the Christian God.

How can we know God doesn't actually want us to harm one another?

How can we know God does actually want us to harm one another?

I see a common theme happening here, where when Christianity is challenged you try to avert attention over to Muslims.

Pot, meet kettle. The reverse is more often true.

HUH?

Please link to where I've tried to avert attention from challenges to my claims/statements, or have the honor to retract.

I point the observer to the OP, and the fact that nowhere does it mention Islam.

Funny, I didn't see you object when I was specifically asked if I would support a similar Muslim prison.

Please link to and quote verbatim where I've asked you this.

This thread will be my evidence that it was you who responded to my challenges by mentioning Muslims/Islam.

Prove it. [Prove Jesus is God, a claim made by East of Eden]

I can't, it is my opinion. Like your opinion that God doesn't exist.
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Please link to and quote verbatim where I've claimed God doesn't exist, or have the honor to retract.

How can we know Jesus is God?

And I'm the one that changes subjects? Start another thread.

I point you, and the observer to Post 41:

Aren't Christians acting according to the 'prophet' Jesus? How can we know Jesus speaks for the Christian God?

I understand you reject him, but He is God.

I asked how we can know Jesus speaks for God, as a means to determine what constitutes "good" or "bad" theology based on your previous statements.

It was you, East of Eden that claimed He is God.

You made the claim in this thread.

I challenged it in this thread.

Will you offer your evidence, retract, or continue to skirt around challenges to a claim you brought up?

[Sir Rhetor]

Are you now sufficiently prepared to actually answer my question?

Been done, obtuse one. Good theology is that which follows the teachings and example of Christ. Do you want me to post an encylopedia of Christian theology?

Calling names is not helping your case. Now, over the "encyclopedia of Christian theology", yes. Humor me and post it. All the theology in the world is not helpful to the actual question. I'm not surprised that you think it would answer the question, though. Theology is the study of God and religion, and not about the origin of morals. Joey has spent several posts just trying to squeeze an answer out of you (like Giles Corey, but for a good reason ), with no avail. Referencing supposed "previous answers" is a facile but inadequate game to play. The world is waiting for you to give an actual answer.

[JoeyKnothead]

Are you now sufficiently prepared to actually answer my question?

Been done, obtuse one. Good theology is that which follows the teachings and example of Christ. Do you want me to post an encylopedia of Christian theology?

Calling names is not helping your case. Now, over the "encyclopedia of Christian theology", yes. Humor me and post it. All the theology in the world is not helpful to the actual question. I'm not surprised that you think it would answer the question, though. Theology is the study of God and religion, and not about the origin of morals. Joey has spent several posts just trying to squeeze an answer out of you (like Giles Corey, but for a good reason ), with no avail. Referencing supposed "previous answers" is a facile but inadequate game to play. The world is waiting for you to give an actual answer.

I think East of Eden has given up trying to support his obviously unprovable claim.

So I challenge anyone to show what constitutes good or bad theology, and how we can confirm to know the wants or wishes of any god.

[FinalEnigma]

The triune God of Christianity has little in common with Allah, an Arabian pagan deity who was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess. You won't find many characteristics in Allah such as love, forgiveness, etc.

Might I point out that one who does not understand that the word 'Allah' does NOT refer specifically to the Islamic God, but is merely the Arabic word for 'God' and is therefore also used by Arabic Christians is not the most convincing authority on anything about Islam.

[East of Eden]

Might I point out that one who does not understand that the word 'Allah' does NOT refer specifically to the Islamic God, but is merely the Arabic word for 'God' and is therefore also used by Arabic Christians is not the most convincing authority on anything about Islam.

I would similarly question anyone thinking the god of Islam is the same at the God of Christianity.

[East of Eden]

Are you now sufficiently prepared to actually answer my question?

Been done, obtuse one. Good theology is that which follows the teachings and example of Christ. Do you want me to post an encylopedia of Christian theology?

Calling names is not helping your case. Now, over the "encyclopedia of Christian theology", yes. Humor me and post it. All the theology in the world is not helpful to the actual question. I'm not surprised that you think it would answer the question, though. Theology is the study of God and religion, and not about the origin of morals. Joey has spent several posts just trying to squeeze an answer out of you (like Giles Corey, but for a good reason ), with no avail. Referencing supposed "previous answers" is a facile but inadequate game to play. The world is waiting for you to give an actual answer.

You and Joey have already gotten my answer to what was an inane question to begin with. What is good or bad anything is a matter of opinion, not debate. The answer I gave would certainly be accepted by most Christians I know. There's a difference between not getting an answer and not getting an answer you like. If this silly psuedo-'gotcha' thread is the best your side can manufacture, it says a lot.

BTW, who's 'the world', you and Joey?

[JBlack]

What is good or bad anything is a matter of opinion, not debate.

Earlier you said

Not to worry, I'm sure they won't be learning bad Christian theology.

Being that good and bad, by your own admission, is a matter of opinion, how could you possibly assure that they won't be learning "bad" theology? Since when do christians all share the same opinion on what's "good" theology and what's "bad" theology?

[East of Eden]

What is good or bad anything is a matter of opinion, not debate.

Earlier you said

Not to worry, I'm sure they won't be learning bad Christian theology.

Being that good and bad, by your own admission, is a matter of opinion, how could you possibly assure that they won't be learning "bad" theology? Since when do christians all share the same opinion on what's "good" theology and what's "bad" theology?

Joey was apparently afraid they would teach them to stone people, to which I replied they wouldn't be teaching bad Christian theology, i.e. stoning people.

Can we agree that stoning people would be bad Christian theology?

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 49:

You and Joey have already gotten my answer to what was an inane question to begin with. What is good or bad anything is a matter of opinion, not debate. The answer I gave would certainly be accepted by most Christians I know. There's a difference between not getting an answer and not getting an answer you like. If this silly psuedo-'gotcha' thread is the best your side can manufacture, it says a lot.

Exactly, good and bad depend on one's opinion.

Now I ask, how can we know Jesus' opinion is an accurate reflection of the wants or wishes of God?
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From Post 51:

Joey was apparently afraid they would teach them to stone people, to which I replied they wouldn't be teaching bad Christian theology, i.e. stoning people.

Actually, I explained to East of Eden that I was using that term as a metaphor for any actions a Christian might entertain.

I 'pologize for phrasing this in a manner that would allow someone to disregard the intent of the question, and to instead key in on the phrasing, rather than the intent of the question.

I asked how we might determine what is a "good" or "bad" theology, and how can we know folks who harm others in their God's name aren't right to do so. If one's god says to harm another, how can we tell this god doesn't actually want this harm? How do we know Jesus has the correct theology?

When challenged on this, All East of Eden has done is to continually duck, dodge, dance, and weave around the question:

Who determines "good" or "bad" theology as it relates to this Christian prison?

Is it the theology of Fred Phelps? Or the theology of some other person?

In case folks hadn't noticed, folks don't go to prison for being good. Once there they are exposed to some extreme ideologies, and my fear is these notions may find support in various passages within the Bible. Either the Bible will be considered literally, which has its own problems, or it will be open to interpretation. It is this interpretation that concerns me most, because folks can find support for just about any notion in the Bible.

We are told this God hates certain folks - homosexuals, fornicators, and various others, and my concern is these already troubled individuals are going to be exposed to this God's hatred, and they will act on that hatred.

Can we agree that stoning people would be bad Christian theology?

No.

I have no way to confirm the Bible is an accurate representation of the wants or wishes of its proposed God.

Can East of Eden confirm the Bible is an accurate representation of the wants or wishes of its proposed God?