Why is God Ignoring Rick Perry?

[micatala]

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... &emc=thab1


This is an admittedly somewhat tongue in cheek thread.

Back in April, governor Perry called for a three-day period of prayer to end the drought in Texas.

The weather responded with more drought and record-breaking periods of 100 degree heat.

This past weekend, Rick Perry prayed for the economy. On Monday the Dow suffered one of its biggest point drops ever.



Questions for debate:

1) Is God ignoring Perry and his prayers, and if so, why?

2) How should the citizens of Texas or the U.S. respond to Perry's efforts?

3) Does Perry have a reasonable chance of being nominated? Elected? Will his penhant for prayer help in either case?

[Goat]

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... &emc=thab1


This is an admittedly somewhat tongue in cheek thread.

Back in April, governor Perry called for a three-day period of prayer to end the drought in Texas.

The weather responded with more drought and record-breaking periods of 100 degree heat.

This past weekend, Rick Perry prayed for the economy. On Monday the Dow suffered one of its biggest point drops ever.



Questions for debate:

1) Is God ignoring Perry and his prayers, and if so, why?

He just didn't pray hard long enough for rain in the case of the rain.

And, when it comes to the economy, God saw his A&M transcript, and saw he got a D in economics

2) How should the citizens of Texas or the U.S. respond to Perry's efforts?

Vote him out of office in Texas, and not vote for him for president.

3) Does Perry have a reasonable chance of being nominated? Elected? Will his penhant for prayer help in either case?

Never underestimate the power of human stupdiity. G.W. Bush was president.. Twice

[WinePusher]

1) Is God ignoring Perry and his prayers, and if so, why?

How do you expect me to answer this question? From a theological standpoint? Since when has any mainstream sect of Christianity taught that if an individual petitions God that the individual will always get what he or she desires? Since when has any mainstream sect of Christianity taught that if an individual petitions God and fails to get what he or she desires that God is 'ignoring' them? The fact that you have expectations for how a petitionary prayer should be answered is irrelevant, you and I both suffer from shortsightedness while the God you believe in is omniscient.

2) How should the citizens of Texas or the U.S. respond to Perry's efforts?

That he is a man of faith and conviction, that he's the real standard of Christianity citizens should look to and not to Obama's diluted, shallow and empty version of Christianity.

3) Does Perry have a reasonable chance of being nominated? Elected? Will his penhant for prayer help in either case?

All the Republican Candidates have a reasonable chance of beating Obama. The GOP Primary will shrink down to Romney, Bachmann and Perry and one of these three will win the nomination. If it's Romney or Perry they both will likely choose Bachmann has their VP.

Edit: Goats response is one of the most immature posts I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Where does he get off saying 'Never underestimate the power of human stupdiity. G.W. Bush was president.. Twice'. The implication that those who put Bush in office are 'stupid' is as low as it gets, but knowing Goats attachment to liberal ideas and debate tactics, it's not surprising.

[Slopeshoulder]

if rick perry represents real christian standards, then i'm santa claus. do i look like santa claus? http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll24 ... 08453a.jpg



george bush got elected twice because stupid people elected a stupid man, aided and abbetted by fools. It took both groups to accomplish this.

i agree that crazy michelle B could well be the vp candidate, to get the schlafly vote. thank god i've recently emigrated from america to san francisco.

[Slopeshoulder]

Goats response is one of the most immature posts I've ever had the misfortune of reading

knowing Goats attachment to liberal ideas and debate tactics, it's not surprising.

oh, the irony! hilarious.

[otseng]

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[100%atheist]

1) Is God ignoring Perry and his prayers, and if so, why?

My personal assumption is that a governor of a state should excel at least in several areas. Looking at his transcript, education is a strong side of Perry. Then probably he can focus more on being a stronger TrueChristian. However, considering his obvious failures to attract God to his side, he should be believing in a wrong deity. Maybe Perry should try to convert to Islam before he publicly prays next time.

2) How should the citizens of Texas or the U.S. respond to Perry's efforts?

If a teacher substitutes teaching students with a prayer that they will magically learn the course material, then such teacher would (and should) be fired. How is Perry different?

3) Does Perry have a reasonable chance of being nominated? Elected? Will his penhant for prayer help in either case?

I second Goat with a lovely citation of Rush Limbaugh: "never underestimate the power of st***d people in large groups". Interestingly enough, I agree with Rush that if GOP wants to win the election, they need to stay away from people's bedrooms. If a GOP candidate focuses of fighting against LGBT human rights and for banning abortions, his chances to get elected are going down quickly.

After all, what message do GOP people provide for the people of this country (US)? They explicitly say on TV that there is nothing worse than being similar to the current President of the United States. This is ridiculous. I think people with so much hatred that they are ready to eat their own tail, should more to a remote island and organize their own country.

[WinePusher]

After reading what you have poorly written, I'd say this post is even more immature and juvenile than Goats.

if rick perry represents real christian standards, then i'm santa claus. do i look like santa claus?

I don't care what you look like. If you think otherwise post an intelligent argument, not this waste.

george bush got elected twice because stupid people elected a stupid man, aided and abbetted by fools. It took both groups to accomplish this.

i agree that crazy michelle B could well be the vp candidate, to get the schlafly vote. thank god i've recently emigrated from america to san francisco.

It's apparent, from the base and sordid words you always use, that you have no tolerance for different view points. Unfortunately this is one aspect of liberalism you fail to live up to, and considering you exist on the far fringe of the left you don't have any right to call others crazy and stupid. I'd ask why you call Michele Bachmann crazy, but it would be a waste since I doubt you have any intelligent criticism of her policies and positions.

Goats response is one of the most immature posts I've ever had the misfortune of reading

knowing Goats attachment to liberal ideas and debate tactics, it's not surprising.

oh, the irony! hilarious.

How's it ironic? Considering your status on this forum along with the vulgar language you constantly feel a need to invoke, you really don't have the right to judge other users.

[Slopeshoulder]

After reading what you have poorly written, I'd say this post is even more immature and juvenile than Goats.

But it was GREAT fun!!!!

BTW, from what high horse do you get to define what is immature and juvenile, when just a few years ago your were technically, objectively, literally, and demonstrably both?

And define poorly written. They were funny bon mots in my opinion. Do you have more than opinion? Were there grammatical errors?

if rick perry represents real christian standards, then i'm santa claus. do i look like santa claus?

I don't care what you look like. If you think otherwise post an intelligent argument, not this waste.

Seems someone lacks a sense of humor.
And why would I respond with intelligence to a post to which I impute no intelligence? You missed the point grasshopper, and a learning opportunity was missed.

george bush got elected twice because stupid people elected a stupid man, aided and abbetted by fools. It took both groups to accomplish this.

i agree that crazy michelle B could well be the vp candidate, to get the schlafly vote. thank god i've recently emigrated from america to san francisco.

It's apparent, from the base and sordid words you always use,

Define sordid. Try to use a dictionary.
Prove that I always use sordid words, or retract.
Just because you may not like my words is no reason to call me names and make unsubstantiated claims. Although i do notice a pattern of absolutism, so maybe that's why you throw around words like always without evidence?

that you have no tolerance for different view points. Unfortunately this is one aspect of liberalism you fail to live up to,

I am the most inclusive person you are likely to ever meet. What I have decided that I have no more tolerance for is far right wing religoius and political extremism, and left wing too to be fair and honest. I admit that. Otherwise, I'm all ears.

and considering you exist on the far fringe of the left

By what standard? Yours? I'm a centrist, in most ways. Very liberal on a few issues, sorta conservative on a few. Another unsubstantiated claim functioning as an ad hominum.

you don't have any right to call others crazy and stupid.

Crazy and stupid are objective and definable categories, so yes I do and yes I can. But Otseng disagrees, in this forum, so I defer. This ties my hands in assessing you, a limit that for some reason has not yet been imposed upon you regarding me. But one can live in faith and hope.

I'd ask why you call Michele Bachmann crazy, but it would be a waste since I doubt you have any intelligent criticism of her policies and positions.

And I doubt you would recognize any such I offered.

Goats response is one of the most immature posts I've ever had the misfortune of reading

knowing Goats attachment to liberal ideas and debate tactics, it's not surprising.

oh, the irony! hilarious.

How's it ironic? Considering your status on this forum along with the vulgar language you constantly feel a need to invoke, you really don't have the right to judge other users.

- It's ironic because, um, you called goat immature etc and then posted in a similir manner; i quoted both examples. At least I admit mine was not exatly scholarly, in my case for a change. It was meant to be funny (yet speak truth, as the best comedy does and I aspire to).
- I have the rights of a citizen and of a human. I do not have the right to break forum rules (as you do daily and get away with IMO).
- Define vular language.
- Kindly show where i have used it with frequency or retract.

I used genuine vulgar language here once, purposely, and got yelled at. Prove where else I have used it. Yet ANOTHER unsubstantiated claim functioning as an ad hominum. But to be fair you should hear how I talk in real life. You'd likely faint. Jesus' middle name that rhymes with ducking is often invoked, often when i read your posts. But note that I learned to do this from Stanley Hauerwas, the famous potty mouthed and GREAT post-liberal orthodox theologian. There is an honesty in in that I value ethically, a point that may be lost on you.

Thanks WP, messing with you and showing you to be what you are is always a joy.

[WinePusher]

After reading what you have poorly written, I'd say this post is even more immature and juvenile than Goats.

But it was GREAT fun!!!!

I'm sure it was for you, apparently you enjoy posting juvenile, unintelligable content in a subforum you seem to know very little about.

BTW, from what high horse do you get to define what is immature and juvenile, when just a few years ago your were technically, objectively, literally, and demonstrably both?

1)The Juvenile, Irrelevant Analogy
2)The use of Juvenile terms, such as 'crazy' and 'stupid.' But for you, it's a step up from the terms you usually write.
3) The one liners, your failure to address the topic in any way, shape or form.

I don't care what you look like. If you think otherwise post an intelligent argument, not this waste.

Seems someone lacks a sense of humor. And why would I respond with intelligence to a post to which I impute no intelligence? You missed the point grasshopper, and a learning opportunity was missed.

You just do a very poor job at trying to be funny. Some people are just naturally funny, others desperately try to be funny and fail. But I suppose when you percieve another person to be unintelligent, you like sinking to their level, don't ya? I'm sure it isn't hard for you either, since you classify anything you disagree with as fundy, unintelligent, 'crazy' or 'stupid.'

It's apparent, from the base and sordid words you always use,

Define sordid. Try to use a dictionary.
Prove that I always use sordid words, or retract.

Yea, try using a dictionary. You need one to supplement your vocabularly which seems to be severely empty.

Just because you may not like my words is no reason to call me names and make unsubstantiated claims.

Where did I call you names? Cite or retract. Or ignore, which is what everybody will be anticipating.

you don't have any right to call others crazy and stupid.

Crazy and stupid are objective and definable categories, so yes I do and yes I can. But Otseng disagrees, in this forum, so I defer. This ties my hands in assessing you, a limit that for some reason has not yet been imposed upon you regarding me. But one can live in faith and hope.

Much of what you do is prohibited by the forum rules, as indicated by your current status. But along with that you cry about ad hominems but also dish them out, nothing worse than a hypocrite.

I'd ask why you call Michele Bachmann crazy, but it would be a waste since I doubt you have any intelligent criticism of her policies and positions.

And I doubt you would recognize any such I offered.

Cause you can't, even when challenged to do so. Here's one more chance to save yourself 'face.' Do you have any valid criticism of Bachmann and her positions? Or will you admit that you lack any real understanding of Current Events, Politics and Economics and thus cannot issue a criticism. If that's the case, which it seems to be, I can understand why you would try to cover it up with a failed attempt at humor.

How's it ironic? Considering your status on this forum along with the vulgar language you constantly feel a need to invoke, you really don't have the right to judge other users.

- It's ironic because, um, you called goat immature etc and then posted in a similir manner; i quoted both examples.

It comes at no surprise that you get the basic facts wrong. I called Goat's post immature, and you quoted nothing that shows how my post is similar to Goats.

At least I admit mine was not exatly scholarly, in my case for a change.

Excessive hubris at its very best.

- Define vular language.

Your vocabularly and spelling deficencies aren't my problem. But please, continue typing the way you do as you will be continually publicly exposing your defecencies.

I used genuine vulgar language here once, purposely, and got yelled at. Prove where else I have used it.

Again, your personal defecencies aren't my problem. The fact that you lack high standards and possess extremely low standards when it comes to rhetoric and writing is your problem, one that you apparently don't care to much about.

Yet ANOTHER unsubstantiated claim functioning as an ad hominum.

There you go whining about ad hominema when you yourself have dished out ad hominems. What is really funny about your post is not your failed attempt at humor, but your double standards.