Religion and violence

[chris_brown207]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

[Ankhhape]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

We need to eliminate the delusions of religion

[WinePusher]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

It took almost less than one whole day for you to start politicizing a school shooting that killed 20 little children between the ages of 6-7. Congratulations, that's probably a record.

Here are some things you might want to think about before you start a thread like this. Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

You probably can't, which means your question about religion and violence is bogus. And what can we do to fix this? Well, here's what we shouldn't do. People on the left, aka: YOU, should try to keep quiet for a little bit and offer meaningful words of condolence to the families that lost their small little children instead of trying to politicize the tragedy for your own gain and try to draw connections between these mass shootings and the fact that America is predominately Christian. And it's clear you don't don't like religion that much, so I'd like to know what you did? Did you even do anything in memory of these little children. My church, and many churches throughout the nation, held vigils in memory of these children and adults who lost their lives. Christians across America came together as a community and offered prayers and thoughts and whatever else we could for these victims. What did you non-theists/atheists do? Just sit at home and try to think of ways you could blame it on religion?

[chris_brown207]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

It took almost less than one whole day for you to start politicizing a school shooting that killed 20 little children between the ages of 6-7. Congratulations, that's probably a record.

Here are some things you might want to think about before you start a thread like this. Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

You probably can't, which means your question about religion and violence is bogus. And what can we do to fix this? Well, here's what we shouldn't do. People on the left, aka: YOU, should try to keep quiet for a little bit and offer meaningful words of condolence to the families that lost their small little children instead of trying to politicize the tragedy for your own gain and try to draw connections between these mass shootings and the fact that America is predominately Christian. And it's clear you don't don't like religion that much, so I'd like to know what you did? Did you even do anything in memory of these little children. My church, and many churches throughout the nation, held vigils in memory of these children and adults who lost their lives. Christians across America came together as a community and offered prayers and thoughts and whatever else we could for these victims. What did you non-theists/atheists do? Just sit at home and try to think of ways you could blame it on religion?

I will take a note out of your book and say, if you don't like the thread, don't bother posting. This is for people who would like to have a discussion (a discussion that so many conservatives so conveniently think is never a good time to have...)

[WinePusher]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

It took almost less than one whole day for you to start politicizing a school shooting that killed 20 little children between the ages of 6-7. Congratulations, that's probably a record.

Here are some things you might want to think about before you start a thread like this. Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

You probably can't, which means your question about religion and violence is bogus. And what can we do to fix this? Well, here's what we shouldn't do. People on the left, aka: YOU, should try to keep quiet for a little bit and offer meaningful words of condolence to the families that lost their small little children instead of trying to politicize the tragedy for your own gain and try to draw connections between these mass shootings and the fact that America is predominately Christian. And it's clear you don't don't like religion that much, so I'd like to know what you did? Did you even do anything in memory of these little children. My church, and many churches throughout the nation, held vigils in memory of these children and adults who lost their lives. Christians across America came together as a community and offered prayers and thoughts and whatever else we could for these victims. What did you non-theists/atheists do? Just sit at home and try to think of ways you could blame it on religion?

I will take a note out of your book and say, if you don't like the thread, don't bother posting. This is for people who would like to have a discussion (a discussion that so many conservatives so conveniently think is never a good time to have...)

I didn't say I didn't like the thread. I said I don't like people who politicize tragedies, which is what you're doing. I think it's heartless, selfish and inhumane. But since you want to have a dicussion, here your chance:

Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

Why won't you answer any of them Chris Brown? Huh? You wanted to have a discussion about Christianity and violence and mass shooting and so forth. Here are several mass shooting and several horrific incidents of violence that have taken place over the past few years. Which ones were inspired, provoked or caused by religion and/or Christianity. Why are you afraid to answer them? When you ignore something, it means you can't refute it which is probably what's going on with you here.

[chris_brown207]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

It took almost less than one whole day for you to start politicizing a school shooting that killed 20 little children between the ages of 6-7. Congratulations, that's probably a record.

Here are some things you might want to think about before you start a thread like this. Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

You probably can't, which means your question about religion and violence is bogus. And what can we do to fix this? Well, here's what we shouldn't do. People on the left, aka: YOU, should try to keep quiet for a little bit and offer meaningful words of condolence to the families that lost their small little children instead of trying to politicize the tragedy for your own gain and try to draw connections between these mass shootings and the fact that America is predominately Christian. And it's clear you don't don't like religion that much, so I'd like to know what you did? Did you even do anything in memory of these little children. My church, and many churches throughout the nation, held vigils in memory of these children and adults who lost their lives. Christians across America came together as a community and offered prayers and thoughts and whatever else we could for these victims. What did you non-theists/atheists do? Just sit at home and try to think of ways you could blame it on religion?

I will take a note out of your book and say, if you don't like the thread, don't bother posting. This is for people who would like to have a discussion (a discussion that so many conservatives so conveniently think is never a good time to have...)

I didn't say I didn't like the thread. I said I don't like people who politicize tragedies, which is what you're doing. I think it's heartless, selfish and inhumane. But since you want to have a dicussion, here your chance:

Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

Why won't you answer any of them Chris Brown? Huh? You wanted to have a discussion about Christianity and violence and mass shooting and so forth. Here are several mass shooting and several horrific incidents of violence that have taken place over the past few years. Which ones were inspired, provoked or caused by religion and/or Christianity. Why are you afraid to answer them? When you ignore something, it means you can't refute it which is probably what's going on with you here.

If you would like to start a thread discussing the religion of the shooters, be my guest. I am interested in discussing why a country that is so religious can also be so violent. Any thoughts that are on this topic?

[WinePusher]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

It took almost less than one whole day for you to start politicizing a school shooting that killed 20 little children between the ages of 6-7. Congratulations, that's probably a record.

Here are some things you might want to think about before you start a thread like this. Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

You probably can't, which means your question about religion and violence is bogus. And what can we do to fix this? Well, here's what we shouldn't do. People on the left, aka: YOU, should try to keep quiet for a little bit and offer meaningful words of condolence to the families that lost their small little children instead of trying to politicize the tragedy for your own gain and try to draw connections between these mass shootings and the fact that America is predominately Christian. And it's clear you don't don't like religion that much, so I'd like to know what you did? Did you even do anything in memory of these little children. My church, and many churches throughout the nation, held vigils in memory of these children and adults who lost their lives. Christians across America came together as a community and offered prayers and thoughts and whatever else we could for these victims. What did you non-theists/atheists do? Just sit at home and try to think of ways you could blame it on religion?

I will take a note out of your book and say, if you don't like the thread, don't bother posting. This is for people who would like to have a discussion (a discussion that so many conservatives so conveniently think is never a good time to have...)

I didn't say I didn't like the thread. I said I don't like people who politicize tragedies, which is what you're doing. I think it's heartless, selfish and inhumane. But since you want to have a dicussion, here your chance:

Was the Connecticut shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Colorado shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Was the Arizona Shooter a Christian who killed because of his Christianity? Was the Fort Hood shooter a Christian who killed all those people because of his Christianity? Since you obviously haven't bothered to look up the answer, the answer is: None. What incidents of gun violence within the past year have been concluded by investigators to be the result of Christian or religious foundamentalism? Can you actually do some research and present some cases?

Why won't you answer any of them Chris Brown? Huh? You wanted to have a discussion about Christianity and violence and mass shooting and so forth. Here are several mass shooting and several horrific incidents of violence that have taken place over the past few years. Which ones were inspired, provoked or caused by religion and/or Christianity. Why are you afraid to answer them? When you ignore something, it means you can't refute it which is probably what's going on with you here.

If you would like to start a thread discussing the religion of the shooters, be my guest. I am interested in discussing why a country that is so religious can also be so violent. Any thoughts that are on this topic?

Well, it's clear that you're not capable of answering my questions. What violence in the United States are you talking about? The mass shootings? Well, were any of these shooting religiously motivated? No? So your entire premise and topic question is bogus, as I said earlier. Here's a basic piece of logic for you: correlation does not equal causation.

[WinePusher]

I am interested in discussing why a country that is so religious can also be so violent.

As for this, it's because the people who cause the violence aren't Christian. I already proved this with a series of questions that you failed to answer. So, case closed.

[chris_brown207]

I am interested in discussing why a country that is so religious can also be so violent.

As for this, it's because the people who cause the violence aren't Christian. I already proved this with a series of questions that you failed to answer. So, case closed.

Look, you have some valid questions that I would be happy to answer. (To answer one of them, James Eagan Holmes, the Aurora Theater shooter, was a Christian by way of Lutheranism). I was looking to have a discussion though, not an argument.

Perhaps we should give it some time though until you and I are more able to have a civil two way conversation.

[dianaiad]

The United States is nation with a Christian majority, with about 78% claiming some form of Christianity as of 2009. We are one of the most religious nations by far of all of the westernized, modern nations of the world.

Yet, as yesterdays tragedy shows, we are also one of the most violent nations in the world. 2012 has been a historic year for gun violence, with both the frequency and the level of devastation.

Questions for debate - what is the root cause? If religion brings peace, then why are we one of the most violent of the free and democratic nations in the world? What can we do to fix this?

And your automatic assumption is that this was a religiously motivated crime, and that, if there were no religion in the world, it would not have happened?

Well, it had to happen, JUST like people are already politicizing it and using it to advocate for more gun laws.

Do you have ANY idea how disgusting that is?

Even Obama, a man who has never seen an opportunity or event he couldn't politicize, refrained from doing it this time. At least...not yet.

Even he shed honest tears and didn't make it about his own agenda.