We are the direct genetic offspring of God.

[McCulloch]

I think I can provide both physical and scriptural evidence that we are the direct (genetic) offspring of God, and I think I can also prove with physical and scriptural evidence that we're all sinners.

Question for debate: Is there any physical evidence that we are the direct genetic offspring of God?

Bonus Points: Is there any physical evidence that we are all sinners?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 8 by The Me's]

I have also found that the Bible cannot be shown inaccurate anywhere.

Do talking snakes exist?

Do talking donkeys exist?

Can long since deceased corpses reanimate?

Do wizards exist?

Do witches exist?

Do unicorns exist?

Do dragons exist?

If your answer is yes to any of these questions then your thought process is powered by magically thinking not evidence. There is no evidence to support any of these questions as being true.

[Ooberman]

I think I can provide both physical and scriptural evidence that we are the direct (genetic) offspring of God, and I think I can also prove with physical and scriptural evidence that we're all sinners.

Question for debate: Is there any physical evidence that we are the direct genetic offspring of God?

Bonus Points: Is there any physical evidence that we are all sinners?

The hillarity of the OP is that Me's thinks he can prove those things, and then we all know he never intends to argue them.

That said, let's keep to the topic.

Can someone "provide both physical and scriptural evidence that we are the direct (genetic) offspring of God, and I think I can also prove with physical and scriptural evidence that we're all sinners."?

First, let's take out "scriptural" evidence. "Scripture" is just a silly word for "the things I want to quote as truth that no one is supposed to question".


So, is there ANY evidence we are genetic offspring of God?


Good God... how would anyone even approach that without having to rely on modern science? And modern science almost completely reject the concept of gods and goddesses.

[The Me's]

[Replying to post 8 by The Me's]

I have also found that the Bible cannot be shown inaccurate anywhere.

Do talking snakes exist?

Do talking donkeys exist?

Can long since deceased corpses reanimate?

Do wizards exist?

Do witches exist?

Do unicorns exist?

Do dragons exist?

If your answer is yes to any of these questions then your thought process is powered by magically thinking not evidence. There is no evidence to support any of these questions as being true.

Your response is not much more than ridicule of someone else's religion.

You're a liberal, aren't you?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 13 by The Me's]

No this is not ridicule. You claimed the bible is not inaccurate. Yet it includes mythological and magical things represented as real. This is in my opinion fiction. I do not believe in talking animals dragons etc.

I could accept the bible writers exaggerating and inaccurately representing the world around them in figurative stories to describe their world in story form.

To claim the bible is accurate and infallible means you have to accept

witches wizards demigods dragons unicorns reanimated corpses as real.

so either admit you accept these are real and your logic is based off of magical thinking not evidence or accept that you use evidence to support your claims and that the bible is inaccurate in certain aspects.

I am politically conservative. I don't see what my political opinions have to do with your claim that wizards witches dragons unicorns and talking animals are real.

[The Me's]

No this is not ridicule.

For you, it might be normal conversation to misrepresent what the Bible claims, but I find it sophomoric.

You can't be taken seriously if ridicule is the only way you know how to deal with the Bible. For me, if you have to build a strawman argument to make a point, you no longer have anything to contribute.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 15 by The Me's]

How am I misrepresenting biblical claims?

Unicorns

Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Dragons

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.

talking animals

28And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?

witches

Exodus 22:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.


Do I need to honestly provide more?

[The Me's]

[Replying to DanieltheDragon]

You're claiming that the Bible says dragons and unicorns exist, but you rely on prophetic writings to do it, knowing that these are figurative and expressive, and the Bible does not in fact say they exist.

When you make an argument based on an intentional distortion, you're not making an argument. And if your argument has the intent of ridiculing someone else's beliefs, you're really doing nothing more than expressing a bigoted point of view.

No part of your argument can be mistaken for "intellectual" or "reasonable" if you voluntarily depart from both.

(The Hebrew word you're trying to translate here as "unicorn" actually translates as "ox", by the way. Most people who use this passage have to go translation shopping in order to find the one that uses the word they're looking for. Most exact translations render the word correctly.)

[Goat]

[Replying to post 15 by The Me's]

How am I misrepresenting biblical claims?

Unicorns

Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Dragons

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.

talking animals

28And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?

witches

Exodus 22:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.


Do I need to honestly provide more?

Well, Isaiah is a mistranslation. Exodus 22:18 is also a mistranslation, since it refers to specifically people who would channel the spirits of the dead. The term translated as 'unicorn' is 'wild oxen' .

Now, there are people who claim to be able to get guidance from the spirits of the dead ... I don't believe them, but the people do exist.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 17 by The Me's]

Jeremiah 51:37 - And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwelling place for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.

Psalms 74:13 - Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.

Micah 1:8 - Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls.

I am not going to fill this thread with verses of dragons but the writers of the bible clearly wrote as if dragons were real.

Note Micah. I will make a wailing like the dragons similes are only useful if people have experience of the relation. In this case the sound of dragons.

So as far as I can tell these stories appear to be fiction to me. So I will treat them as such if you don't feel they are fiction fine that is your choice. If you think they are literal fine. From my perspective though it would appear your prefer magic to science thats fine to I do not intend to offend. Your evidence is magic that is fine to I don't believe in magic so I will disregard your evidence in it's entirety. So I can't take you seriously when you talk about science. I will take you seriously in regards to creationism which sounds like an interesting mythological story to me.

[The Me's]

[Replying to post 15 by The Me's]

How am I misrepresenting biblical claims?

Unicorns

Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Dragons

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.

talking animals

28And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?

witches

Exodus 22:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.


Do I need to honestly provide more?

Well, Isaiah is a mistranslation. Exodus 22:18 is also a mistranslation, since it refers to specifically people who would channel the spirits of the dead. The term translated as 'unicorn' is 'wild oxen' .

Now, there are people who claim to be able to get guidance from the spirits of the dead ... I don't believe them, but the people do exist.

So not only are you willing to go translation shopping, you're also willing to alter the text itself.

Exodus says nothing about channeling spirits of the dead.

My suspicion that you misrepresent the Bible's text stands.

If a 12-year-old can read the text and repeat back what it says, I see no reason to take you seriously if you can't. The tangeants you create are a waste of time, and your arguments have no value.