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Interesting feline you have! I had a cat once myself, but he was mainly an outside cat. He used to catch moles and he seemed to enjoy torturing them to death: he'd chew them a bit, then he would throw them up in the air, bounce them and pick them up again as if they were basketballs. Then his poor victims ended up on my doormat.This might be very telling indeed. I always scold him for bringing in all his catches irrespective of their purpose in his mind. So there is no positive reinforcement here, rather, it is the only gift he knows.
No they shouldn't what did those apes do to you ? Don't be giving them ideas Lotan.To put it another way - if these apes can communicate with humans, isn't it then the duty of good christians to see that they receive the gospel message?
That sounds like an argument for abortion and then some. \we Christians believe that if babies die at (or hopefully not, but sometimes) before birth, they go to heaven. Children up to about 3 or 4 would go to heaven if they died at those ages because they are not at an age where they can fully understand the idea of religion or God.
Aren't we supposed to be born contaminated with 'original sin' and can only be saved by accepting Jesus in our lives? The hebrew thought that I am familiar with doesn't have a fall of man.I keep on losing the plot with this one Aren't we supposed to be born contaminated with 'original sin' and can only be saved by accepting Jesus in our lives?
Ohhh yes, absolutely! I don't think people realize just how big an influence we have had on plants and animals. Nature is extremely malleable through selective breeding and many, many, generations of men have 'tuned' just about every single resource we harvest from nature. This goes so far back in history that people seem to have forgotten the fact and wonder in amazement at how wonderful gods providence is!Cathar1950 wrote: Don't you think we play a part in evolution? Look at the domestication of animals(beasts). Dogs warn people of epileptic seisures.
I know I have grown some good stuff in my day.The same people probably assume that hemp and poppy plants are the devils provenance. But seriously, it is quite probable that these too have been 'bio-engineered' by artificial selection for their 'active ingredients'.
And what a good argument against ID this is. The very fact that we can readily steer plants and animals by selectively breeding them for our own purposes shows the way in which organisms would steer themselves in the wild under natural selection pressures. The only logical place for ID would be in the creation of the original organism that initiated our common descent.Cathar1950 wrote: It seems that all of nature is extremely malleable.
not even that much. Just the ability of reality to adapt would be enough or to change including subatomic particles. It may not even take intelligence. intelligence maybe(is) an adaption. Maybe creatures are the universe's way of becoming aware of it's self. In Quantum Physics the theory that everything is related. They try to get a bacteria to eat something. Work and work on it then it happens and now it happens all the time. Crossword puzzles the next day are easier.The only logical place for ID would be in the creation of the original organism that initiated our common descent.
I'm glad I reread this thread. Your quote reminds me of something I heard or read once (or at least recall doing so) about housecats - they don't meow around each other like they do around humans. Meows of pain or warning are expressed by cats outside of human influence, as do plaintive meows like those for hunger or general displeasure, but as a cat owner, I think "feed me," "water me," "pet me," "where's my toy mouse darnit!" are expressed differently than their more primieval utterances.QED wrote:...it made me wonder what might happen after many more generations of human/ape interactions. Given that there is evidence of "cultural transmission" from ape to ape, we might witness an acceleration of evolution taking place. After all, we make excellent teachers and have access to a wide range of technology to assist with the development of ape communication.
