Genesis - The Beginning.

[seve]

Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

WHERE did the energy to make 3 Universes or Multiverse come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact, correct?

It's PROOF of our Awesome God

[Donray]

[Replying to post 2 by seve]

Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us the 3 elements created before the first Day. It was air, dust, and water. Jesus took some of the air, dust, and water, and changed it into energy by causing a Singularity. Exactly as Jesus knew it would, matter inflated from the Black hole made by the first of the first Huge Stars to implode and become a Singularity which produced other Universes.

Can someone tells us HOW ancient man Moses knew this? It's proof of our Literal God, for ONLY God could know this scientific Truth thousands of years ago, literally speaking, and leave the story in His Holy Word for a man to read and understand. The story has been there for thousands of years, but we are just now beginning to understand that it was written by the Supreme intelligence of creation. His name is YHWH or Jesus, the Son of the invisible God.

Millions of years later, the Universe had cooled enough to become visible. Genesis 2:4 gives us the Day this Big Bang happened. It was the 3rd Day the SAME Day the first Earth was made, which was the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10.

God also got the FACT that Stars didn't shine until the 4th Day, which was millions of years AFTER the Big Bang. This is a recent scientific discovery. There is NO way any ancient man Moses could have possibly known this.

Again, it's proof of our awesome God.

First off, Genesis was put in writing about 900BC and not by Moses. Second why are there two different accounts of creation???

Third, Can you answer some questions about your god? What is your made of? Be specific. How big is your god? Where is heaven located? What is a soul made up of?

Sorry, but, you are off the continuing topic and discussion here.

I suggest that you go visit the other thread and post your questions and queries there... Theology, Doctrines and Dogmas

here's the link.... viewforum.php?f=38

BYE

You brought up the bible and Moses first, so I am not off the topic since it is your thread and you want to discuss the bible Moses, etc.

Therefore start by answering my questions.


Since you think you know about your bible and your god your should have no problem making sure that what you say is true and provable.

[Donray]

SEVE: Why use the bible when you refuse to discuss if it is a valid science journal? You want to reference this mythological of work but you refuse to discuss its validity. WHY???

You cannot defend the bible????

[seve]

Today's Evols are totally IGNORANT that Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandchildren had NO other humans to marry. They married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived. In the past, some 11k years ago, Humans have been scattered over the whole face of our Planet. Gen 11:9

Adam was formed of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, or some 13.8 Billion years ago. Adam was made with a higher intelligence level than ANY creature whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day, because Adam had an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22

Of course, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Adam, the first Human, to have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes since our Earth is only 4.53 Billion years old, and Adam had been around for Billions of years before then.

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth - after their world was totally destroyed in the flood - some 11k years ago. Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to Noah’s arrival in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat.

History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE who are "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and Adam's descendants - since they both are Made of Flesh- in Genesis 6:1-4.

[OnceConvinced]

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Also, I will appreciate if you stop projecting your own weaknesses on us. It's unprofessional and is unacceptable.

Thank you.

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[Diagoras]

I notice there’s no-one else other than seve currently posting in this thread who is holding a pro-theist position.

In my humble opinion, any debate would be improved by a greater variety of posters. Are there any readers out there who have a similar position to seve who would like to join in? Otherwise this thread doesn’t seem to be getting anywhere.

[marco]

Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

The process of arriving at Einstein's simple equation involved vast complexity and indeed enchanting cancellation of terms. Newton's work proved to be a less-than-perfect sideshoot that took no account of the speed of light.


Now if we turn to your quotation:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

The terms here are poetic and can be translated into any medium we want. To dwell in the light, as opposed to darkness, is to have goodness on one's side. The rest is a usual description of human ideas of God. wth the appropriate attachment of honour and respect.


You then ask:

"Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact, correct?"


It takes some ingenuity to understand Einstein, more to emulate him, and to be fair it needs some ingenuity to link the verse with relativity. I have read many accounts of how the Koran predicts research done only in the 20th century, even involving genetic theory.


There is a mild chance you might be right but a vast possibility you are reading too much into what makes religious sense. If you think this is " PROOF of our Awesome God " then your view of "proof" is light years away from that of Einstein.

What you've succeeded in doing is to show human enterprise, effort and thought are far above Genesis: the one supplies iron proof and the other nebulous poetry. I'm sure, however, that Mother Coincidence could find even better examples of scientific prediction in Bible pages. Seek and ye shall find! Go well.

[seve]

Noah's flood exposes the weakness, the Achilles Heel of the False Theory of Evolution. Some Godless Evols have taken the Truth of MicroEvolution or changes within His kinds, and changed it into the unsupported, speculative LIE that God used evolution to Create. Not so, and God's Holy Word refutes such an ignorant idea.

Noah's Flood shows that Noah and his family came into our 2nd Heaven, from the 1st Heaven, the world of Adam, which was totally "dissolved" in the Flood. This happened some 11k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to Noah's arrival in the mountains of Ararat, in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization.

Without the Flood, we might be stuck with the stupid idea that we evolved from other animals, but the Flood shows that Humanity on our Earth, came from another world. Humans were made long BEFORE any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7 That's God's Truth, which agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and History.

The reason Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes is because today's Humans ARE the children of Noah's descendants and the prehistoric people who were already here and had been for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived.

That is WHY we have the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam and God had, Gen 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes within our Human bloodstreams. This does NOT mean that we evolved from them but that our Human blood was contaminated by them. It cost Humans 90% of our lifetimes because of this.

One thing God's Truth DISAGREES with is the False ToE, which is nothing but a Lie of Godless men who are afraid to be righteously judged for their evil deeds, so they made up an incomplete, untrue, False assumption, and called it the ToE. They did NOT consider God's Truth when they made fools of themselves with their unsupportable Theory, and now it's time for their Lies to be exposed.

Humans did NOT evolve from Apes and there is NO evidence which can stand when measured against God's Truth. Want to try to support the man-made, error filled, Theory of Evolution? I don't believe ANY of you can?

Evols, list down your so called evidence here - Apes evolving into Human - IF you have any:

Sourced:

[seve]

Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

The process of arriving at Einstein's simple equation involved vast complexity and indeed enchanting cancellation of terms. Newton's work proved to be a less-than-perfect sideshoot that took no account of the speed of light.

Now if we turn to your quotation:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

The terms here are poetic and can be translated into any medium we want. To dwell in the light, as opposed to darkness, is to have goodness on one's side. The rest is a usual description of human ideas of God. wth the appropriate attachment of honour and respect.

You then ask:

"Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact, correct?"

It takes some ingenuity to understand Einstein, more to emulate him, and to be fair it needs some ingenuity to link the verse with relativity. I have read many accounts of how the Koran predicts research done only in the 20th century, even involving genetic theory.

There is a mild chance you might be right but a vast possibility you are reading too much into what makes religious sense. If you think this is " PROOF of our Awesome God " then your view of "proof" is light years away from that of Einstein.

What you've succeeded in doing is to show human enterprise, effort and thought are far above Genesis: the one supplies iron proof and the other nebulous poetry. I'm sure, however, that Mother Coincidence could find even better examples of scientific prediction in Bible pages. Seek and ye shall find! Go well.

Dear Marco,

I am sorry but I strongly disagree with your speculation above.

Perhaps, you missed reading or did NOT understand the following Scripture below. Let me know if you need further elaboration. I will be more than happy to help. Here are some Biblical Facts for your further study and review:

The brightness of the glory of the Lord is brighter than the noon day sun - LITERALLY SPEAKING. In fact, Saul was blinded (literally) by the brightness of the glory of the Lord.

Act 23
v12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests
v13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
v14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
v15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

In fact, the glory of the Lord is so bright that it will be the light that will shine in the New Jerusalem to come, therefore, there’s no need of the sun, neither of moon, to shine in it - since, the Lord will be the light thereof - LITERALLY SPEAKING.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof

Btw, you also missed the point of what I was saying about why Ancient Man Moses who many believe authored the Book of Genesis and do not understand the Theory of Relativity: Simply because......

It is God who is the AUTHOR of the Scripture that is why Ancient Men did NOT really understand Genesis - literally speaking - because it has been sealed until today - this last days - for us to study the newly discovered scientific facts and compare it to God's Holy Words.

God Bless

[marco]

Perhaps, you missed reading or did NOT understand the following Scripture below. Let me know if you need further elaboration. I will be more than happy to help. Here are some Biblical Facts for your further study and review:

The brightness of the glory of the Lord is brighter than the noon day sun - LITERALLY SPEAKING. In fact, Saul was blinded by the brightness of the glory of the Lord.

There are many things beyond my understanding. The story of Saul's encounter with heaven does not require microscopic investigation: it makes a clear statement. If God wished me to accept this, then the power he has given me to solve rather awkward differential equations would be enhanced with further vision. Alas, he has not, but apparently he has been more generous to you, That is a divine kindness I can only envy.

The Roman world of Paul's time is fascinating and many of the writers have given us glimpses of brilliance, sucha as Lucretius (De rerum natura) who tells us anachronistically of "altoms and the void." Paul was a pious individual, consumed with the idea that he was singularly chosen to preach God's word. Many modern people have likewise seen themselves as servants of the deity. When people knock at my door and promise marvels, I ask for identification. To your credit you offer lines from the Bible, but sadly these open themselves to many interpretations, apart from a literal one. I would want to know in what way we can make a choice between yours and any of the others.

I am not a biologist, nor do I have the enthusiasm of Dawkins to defend the Theory of Evolution, but many have commended it. It has the advantage, over biblical verses, of being written not in poetry, but in rather plain language. It may need some amendments, being still a theory.


Thanks for your proffered assistance. Go well.

[seve]

Perhaps, you missed reading or did NOT understand the following Scripture below. Let me know if you need further elaboration. I will be more than happy to help. Here are some Biblical Facts for your further study and review:

The brightness of the glory of the Lord is brighter than the noon day sun - LITERALLY SPEAKING. In fact, Saul was blinded by the brightness of the glory of the Lord.

There are many things beyond my understanding. The story of Saul's encounter with heaven does not require microscopic investigation: it makes a clear statement. If God wished me to accept this, then the power he has given me to solve rather awkward differential equations would be enhanced with further vision. Alas, he has not, but apparently he has been more generous to you, That is a divine kindness I can only envy.

The Roman world of Paul's time is fascinating and many of the writers have given us glimpses of brilliance, sucha as Lucretius (De rerum natura) who tells us anachronistically of "altoms and the void." Paul was a pious individual, consumed with the idea that he was singularly chosen to preach God's word. Many modern people have likewise seen themselves as servants of the deity. When people knock at my door and promise marvels, I ask for identification. To your credit you offer lines from the Bible, but sadly these open themselves to many interpretations, apart from a literal one. I would want to know in what way we can make a choice between yours and any of the others.

I am not a biologist, nor do I have the enthusiasm of Dawkins to defend the Theory of Evolution, but many have commended it. It has the advantage, over biblical verses, of being written not in poetry, but in rather plain language. It may need some amendments, being still a theory.

Thanks for your proffered assistance. Go well.

Dear Marco,

It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible.

There is NOT one Truth for True Science or Historian and another one for "Bible Believing Christians�. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth.

That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

I also love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you?

Here's one of my favorite verse:

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

God Bless