Biological diversity does not suggest we evolved from fish

[stcordova]

Humans are more similar to chimps than they are to trees. This was well known by creationists even before Darwin.

We might superficially then claim chimps and humans must have descended from a common ancestor. And we could rinse and repeat and say, "we're more similar to fish than to trees as well so we fish and humans must have descended from a common ancestor of fish and humans."

The problem then is we follow the logic carefully, we must therefore conclude we didn't evolve from fish, at best fish and humans descended from some unspecified a common ancestor.

So let me for the sake of argument assume evolutionism is true. What can we conclude from these diagrams:

Vertebrates descend from Vetebrates
Mammals descend from Mammals
Primates descend from Primates
Humans descend from Humans

Therefore: Humans descended from Humans

Evolutionists however will give the following non-sequitur:

Vertebrates descend from Vetebrates
Mammals descend from Mammals
Primates descend from Primates
Humans descend from Humans

Therefore: Humans descended from Fish

Here is a diagram at the anatomical level that shows a very nice hierarchical pattern from universe review.

http://universe-review.ca/I10-82-vertebrates.jpg




and then regarding the bone morphogenetic proteins

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1- ... 18-gr1.jpg




What these diagrams show is that Fish will not give birth to anything but something fish like. It won't give rise to Primates!

As Michael Denton pointed out, superficially the structure of diversity in the biosphere suggest common descent, but the problem is it also suggest that there won't be any transitionals even in principle. Hence a careful study of the diagrams might lead one to think special creation is a better explanation since it is evident that fish don't give any hint of being ancestors to primates.

[mickeymudge]

My proof is the same as yours. That is what I am demonstrating. Claiming to speak a supernatural language is not proof of the supernatural, nor of any language.

Well me saying it was a language was a metaphor,

You mean it was a mistake. It was a mistake to claim that there is a supernatural language that you understand.

so you missed out again.

I don't feel that there is anything there that is real for me to miss out on. I will continue to believe that you are wrong until you demonstrate what it is I missed out on.

I'm identifying specific activity that occurred in the bible that match with reported events from thousands of people over the course of history.

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or prioritize information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.

Erasing someones memory is a hallmark occurrence amongst abductees. I can tell this bewilders you as you obviously don't even have a basic understanding of the common things that happen during an abduction. While I have reviewed thousands in my lifetime, maybe I could just pick one for you to watch that has nothing special about it.

Do you know what else is a hallmark occurrence amongst abductees? A lack of evidence. I'm not saying that aliens haven't visited or that they don't exist, we just don't know for sure. People can and do make all sorts of claims. Some benefit from making such claims by being paid to write articles or to make appearances. This provides motive to perpetuate a lie.
Thanks for the YouTube video of a person that writes articles for a UFO magazine and makes appearances to talk about abductions though. Very convincing. Obviously this means that the god of the Christian religion is an alien.

You have failed to provide proof. I must continue to reject your empty claim.

Ya you're right, that really wasn't direct proof, so lets try this....

Thank you for the admission.

The Spaceships of Ezekiel

YouTube videos are more convincing than stories orally told and then written down by desert nomads that thought the earth was flat. This book also talks about talking snakes and talking donkeys, plus a man walking on water etc... Your evidence is actually getting worse it seems.

After ufologists such as Erich von Dniken had pointed to the possibility of interpreting Ezekiel's vision as a report of an extraterrestrial spacecraft, Blumrich decided to disprove the hypothesis. However, a thorough examination convinced him that Ezekiel had, in fact, seen a spaceship. He then made detailed drawings of the alien craft. He decided the technology of the builders must have been somewhat higher than mankind's at the present, and added he had seldom felt as delighted, satisfied, and fascinated by being proven wrong.[9]

Thank you for sharing with us that there are like minded people. This is something we knew already though.

Now since you seem to claim to know SO MUCH about the bible, can you explain to me exactly what a vision is?

Visions are something a witch doctor or prophet etc. claim to experience to convince their followers to act a certain way or behave certain way. It's a way to claim authority without proper justification.
Here is a list of Native American visions/prophecies for your viewing pleasure:
http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/prop ... ecies.html

So there is no question about it, it's a space craft.

Ya, and animals can talk too. There is no question.

What I have looked at, all looks the same except to the point where we are in contact with God.

Like I said, you need to brush up on the religions out there. See ancestor worship for example.
the custom of venerating deceased ancestors who are considered still a part of the family and whose spirits are believed to have the power to intervene in the affairs of the living
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... %20worship

Seriously?!? Circular logic! That's good enough for you?
I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale, real cheap. You can believe me because I am truthful.

I don't see what the big deal is, the ESD version is still in circulation, my son took my only copy.

Here is the big deal. If the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true, then the Qu'ran is true for the same reason and any other book that simply makes that same claim.

Well that's why you're not getting it, God was trying to gain control us when he wasn't our real creator. Why would you want to follow those orders?

What orders? The Bible was oral tradition told for hundreds of years by desert nomads that did not have written language. I accept no orders from it. What I don't understand is why you try to use it to justify alien encounters. Why do you venerate the book while at the same time change the god that it is about into an alien? It's like the Bible is credible, but only on your terms.

Truth? What are you talking about? I'm talking about the forum rules you agreed to follow when you joined this site.
What rules/laws in life do you also feel like you are above as long as you convince yourself you are doing the work of a deity? I hope you stop at forum rule violations, I would hate to think you are a danger to society.

The knowledge that I share can ONLY set people free.

This is a claim made by people that suffer from religious paranoia FYI.
In an alternate form of religious paranoia of a psychiatric nature, the patient can suffer from a permanent delusion of a primarily religious nature. He could, for example, believe that he is the messenger of God who has been sent to the world to propagate some religion.

naw, I'm sure it's used correctly, you're just not able to apply it.

Once again, you place the blame on others. You made a false claim, there is nothing there to apply.

If you could be a little more specific about WHICH claims you want more proof on, I can do that. However there are several at this point.

How about the one where you are a messenger of some sort here to set people free. Convince us that you are not just some guy being silly making silly claims. I half expect to see a reply from you saying, "got you suckers, hahahaha".

You mean it was a mistake. It was a mistake to claim that there is a supernatural language that you understand.


Oh not at all, notice how you don't understand it.

I don't feel that there is anything there that is real for me to miss out on. I will continue to believe that you are wrong until you demonstrate what it is I missed out on.

Of course you would, anyone would be blind to things they don't see or understand.


Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or prioritize information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.

LOL, you are so lost. Who in the world would set out to try to prove God was a space alien? What would be the benefit? Who would believe you? I think your confirmation bias is working on you, as you just don't know what questions to ask. The only thing you have been asking for is proof, but when I ask for you to be more specific you don't answer. Therefore you are creating your own confirmation bias. Notice how you haven't proven me wrong!

Do you know what else is a hallmark occurrence amongst abductees? A lack of evidence. I'm not saying that aliens haven't visited or that they don't exist, we just don't know for sure. People can and do make all sorts of claims. Some benefit from making such claims by being paid to write articles or to make appearances. This provides motive to perpetuate a lie.
Thanks for the YouTube video of a person that writes articles for a UFO magazine and makes appearances to talk about abductions though. Very convincing. Obviously this means that the god of the Christian religion is an alien.

Then you obviously didn't watch the video, as you would have noticed that there was matched witnessed reports by people that didn't know each other, and never spoke to one another. We just don't know for sure. You just don't get it do you? If people are so incredulous to the point that they will assume that aliens don't pilot UFO's you can clearly see where the problem is. It doesn't matter if some alien walked up to you and slapped you in the face, and abducted you and erased your memory. YOU would obviously believe, but the majority of the public would laugh and debunk you, despite you having marks on your body or even implants. So I guess the Roper Poll back in 1991 that estimated at that time, that 3.7 million Americans will have been abducted was just a hoax too. The video was NOT about people writing articles, it was about the recreation of an event. And the video was not to prove that God is an alien, it was to prove that memory gets erased. But clearly you don't pay attention. It's because of confirmation bias. You only hear what you want to hear so that you don't have to properly apply the facts that would otherwise prove you to be wrong.

YouTube videos are more convincing than stories orally told and then written down by desert nomads that thought the earth was flat. This book also talks about talking snakes and talking donkeys, plus a man walking on water etc... Your evidence is actually getting worse it seems.

Well there is a heck of a lot to this understanding. One thing you obviously don't get is that God had an alien ability to be invisible. This means any of his race as well. Which is why he was never seen in the bible. This could easily give the perception of these things talking, or him pretending to be them talking. You're just a tad lacking in the education department about the Supernatural which seems to be an ongoing problem here.


Thank you for sharing with us that there are like minded people. This is something we knew already though.

And when did a debunker become like minded?

Visions are something a witch doctor or prophet etc. claim to experience to convince their followers to act a certain way or behave certain way. It's a way to claim authority without proper justification.
Here is a list of Native American visions/prophecies for your viewing pleasure:

You see, not only are you lacking in the Supernatural education, you're also lacking in the real world education. Visions, as in the bible, like I was referring to, is in reference to what we know today as Remote viewing, or Astral Projection, or The third eye, aka, visions, or Perceive according to God. This is a SUPERNATURAL ability that God disabled from us.

There are dozens today that posses a fair working version of this ability, but keep in mind that because God disabled it, it's not going to work the way it's suppose to. Today there are 16 training centers across the US where you can pay money to get training from a share 70 trainers, and they have graduates. These people originally worked for the government during the cold war, where they were used as spy's to retrieve sensitive information about Russia. Russia had some as well, and eventually their viewers were viewing our viewers, and sent assassins over to kill some of our viewers. Decommissioned in 89 which is when they opened up their own businesses.

Here is the order to have this ability removed...

Isaiah's Commission from the Lord

8 And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then I said, Here I am! Send me. 9 And he said, Go, and say to this people:

Keep on hearing,[c] but do not understand;
keep on seeing,[d] but do not perceive.
10 Make the heart of this people dull,[e]
and their ears heavy,
and blind their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.[sic]

Ya, and animals can talk too. There is no question.

Again you lack focus.

Like I said, you need to brush up on the religions out there. See ancestor worship for example.
the custom of venerating deceased ancestors who are considered still a part of the family and whose spirits are believed to have the power to intervene in the affairs of the living

This isn't a religion, and I see no mention of God. Anyone can have a belief, but I'm specifically referring to ones that contain God, and I already told you that.

Here is the big deal. If the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true, then the Qu'ran is true for the same reason and any other book that simply makes that same claim.

And like I keep saying, our interpretations of our interactions with God are the only differences.

What orders? The Bible was oral tradition told for hundreds of years by desert nomads that did not have written language. I accept no orders from it. What I don't understand is why you try to use it to justify alien encounters. Why do you venerate the book while at the same time change the god that it is about into an alien? It's like the Bible is credible, but only on your terms.

The bible is FILLED with orders of punishment, that always end in turn and be healed. God is making us sick through out the bible, but if we turn, we can be healed. These are orders sent to have our DNA rewritten for the punishments.
I don't USE the bible to justify alien encounters. Alien encounters have been recorded since the dawn of time. Alien encounters are RAMPANT through out the bible, and while working on an Etiology, I just do happen to notice this. I think I have said this five times now, I did not set out to find aliens in the bible, rather it found me. I think anyone should hold a historical document that tells such important details about our lineage and how we got to earth as golden. I NEVER changed God into an alien, again you lack focus, he always was an alien and no one ever wanted to acknowledge the obvious facts, or they were blind to them, I'm not sure which. The bible is not just credible on MY terms. These terms you claim were NOT created by ME. These terms were found through a life time of experience and research about the subject. You too are welcome to understand if you want to spend 30+ years studying the subject, obviously proving I did NOT write these terms.

This is a claim made by people that suffer from religious paranoia FYI.
In an alternate form of religious paranoia of a psychiatric nature, the patient can suffer from a permanent delusion of a primarily religious nature. He could, for example, believe that he is the messenger of God who has been sent to the world to propagate some religion.

Which I'm glad I don't believe in religion.


Once again, you place the blame on others. You made a false claim, there is nothing there to apply.

Good, than find solace in your decision.

How about the one where you are a messenger of some sort here to set people free. Convince us that you are not just some guy being silly making silly claims. I half expect to see a reply from you saying, "got you suckers, hahahaha".
_________________
You can build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, or you can set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

That's funny, I was actually expecting that from you.

[Clownboat]

You mean it was a mistake. It was a mistake to claim that there is a supernatural language that you understand.

Oh not at all, notice how you don't understand it.

Once more, you are projecting your failure on to me. It's my fault you can't be clearly understood. Sure thing there buddy.

I don't feel that there is anything there that is real for me to miss out on. I will continue to believe that you are wrong until you demonstrate what it is I missed out on.

Of course you would, anyone would be blind to things they don't see or understand.

And again, you blame me. Rather than showing all of us that I missed out on "X", you would rather put the fault on others for being blind. This is all very telling.

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or prioritize information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.

LOL, you are so lost.

More blame, and even after you had admitted to identifying specific activity in the Bible. I think the readers will see that I am not the lost one here.

Who in the world would set out to try to prove God was a space alien? What would be the benefit? Who would believe you?

For one, someone suffering from religious paranoia. Or someone that sells books on UFO's, or someone that hold conferences on such a thing. There are reason.
Your logic in action:
Why would anyone try to prove that Big Foot was real? Therefore, Big Foot is real. (He is real by the way, he's just blurry in real life. Tehe)

I think your confirmation bias is working on you

More blame. Refreshing.

Notice how you haven't proven me wrong!

And you cannot prove that I don't have an invisible dragon in my basement. Do you have a point?
YouTube videos and Holy Books need to be shown that their claims are true, not dis-proven.

Do you know what else is a hallmark occurrence amongst abductees? A lack of evidence. I'm not saying that aliens haven't visited or that they don't exist, we just don't know for sure. People can and do make all sorts of claims. Some benefit from making such claims by being paid to write articles or to make appearances. This provides motive to perpetuate a lie.
Thanks for the YouTube video of a person that writes articles for a UFO magazine and makes appearances to talk about abductions though. Very convincing. Obviously this means that the god of the Christian religion is an alien.

Then you obviously didn't watch the video, as you would have noticed that there was matched witnessed reports by people that didn't know each other, and never spoke to one another.

Sure, and like I offered to you before, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale. Trust me, because I say I'm trustworthy. (I did watch the entire video by the way)
Not everything you read on the internet can be trusted. - Abraham Lincoln

We just don't know for sure. You just don't get it do you? If people are so incredulous to the point that they will assume that aliens don't pilot UFO's you can clearly see where the problem is. It doesn't matter if some alien walked up to you and slapped you in the face, and abducted you and erased your memory. YOU would obviously believe, but the majority of the public would laugh and debunk you, despite you having marks on your body or even implants.

More blaming...
Like I said, aliens could be real and people could be getting abducted. But for you to jump from that possibility to then claim that a god in a Holy Book is not only real, but a space alien is a jump that Evil Knievel couldn't have made.

So I guess the Roper Poll back in 1991 that estimated at that time, that 3.7 million Americans will have been abducted was just a hoax too. The video was NOT about people writing articles, it was about the recreation of an event. And the video was not to prove that God is an alien, it was to prove that memory gets erased.

Sweet! Show us this proof that you claim is there. Prove to us that memory gets erased by aliens. Still not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand though.

But clearly you don't pay attention.

Well, this was refreshing.

It's because of confirmation bias. You only hear what you want to hear so that you don't have to properly apply the facts that would otherwise prove you to be wrong.

First you seem to have an issue with the word "solace" and now it seems you have issues with the word facts.
Apparently YouTube videos are facts.
Forgive me if I reject this claim.

Well there is a heck of a lot to this understanding. One thing you obviously don't get is that God had an alien ability to be invisible.

Why do you continue to blame others? Your argument so far is unconvincing. Deal with that fact, don't blame others when they don't believe your claims.

This means any of his race as well. Which is why he was never seen in the bible.

Remember what I said about pride?
Exodus 33:23 And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.
Exodus 32:30 For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

This could easily give the perception of these things talking, or him pretending to be them talking. You're just a tad lacking in the education department about the Supernatural which seems to be an ongoing problem here.

Let's forget about the fact that you were just shown to be wrong and continue to blame me shall we?

Thank you for sharing with us that there are like minded people. This is something we knew already though.

And when did a debunker become like minded?

Full 180 just like that? Both of you are now alien abductee debunkers? What paragraph did this happen in?

You see, not only are you lacking in the Supernatural education, you're also lacking in the real world education.

Careful guy, your replies will probably be viewed as personal here by claiming I lack real world education. Another claim of which you do not poses the ability to evidence. No matter though, this is just you once again shifting the blame.
How dare we not hang on your every word and believe what you say without evidence!

Visions, as in the bible, like I was referring to, is in reference to what we know today as Remote viewing, or Astral Projection, or The third eye, aka, visions, or Perceive according to God. This is a SUPERNATURAL ability that God disabled from us.

Clearly this is not what you were referring to. You in fact asked me what a vision was? How can you be referring to a specific meaning of a word when you are asking me to define it? I did define it and even provided examples. I know... blame me!

There are dozens today that posses a fair working version of this ability

One example you provided was already shown be be a hoax. Please forgive me if I do not take you at your word here with this claim.

Today there are 16 training centers across the US where you can pay money to get training from a share 70 trainers, and they have graduates. These people originally worked for the government during the cold war, where they were used as spy's to retrieve sensitive information about Russia. Russia had some as well, and eventually their viewers were viewing our viewers, and sent assassins over to kill some of our viewers. Decommissioned in 89 which is when they opened up their own businesses.

Why has no one stepped up to claim the 1 million dollar prize then? Forgive me for being skeptical of this claim of yours, after all, remember what Abraham Lincoln said about believing what you read on the internet.

Here is the order to have this ability removed...
Isaiah's Commission from the Lord

More evidence from a holy book written by desert nomads without written language? Well done!

Ya, and animals can talk too. There is no question.

Again you lack focus.

You are getting what you consider to be evidence from a book that has talking animals in it. I notice this and yet you blame me for lacking focus. Bit odd don't you think?

This isn't a religion, and I see no mention of God. Anyone can have a belief, but I'm specifically referring to ones that contain God, and I already told you that.

Correct, it is part of many religions. Can you show me where ancestral worship is included in the Bible?
Remember your claim:
(Religions) all looks the same except to the point where we are in contact with God

Here is the big deal. If the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true, then the Qu'ran is true for the same reason and any other book that simply makes that same claim.

And like I keep saying, our interpretations of our interactions with God are the only differences.

I encourage you to continue saying this. Helps to establish a certain level of credibility.

The bible is FILLED with orders of punishment, that always end in turn and be healed. God is making us sick through out the bible, but if we turn, we can be healed. These are orders sent to have our DNA rewritten for the punishments.

This has been asked of you before here. Please explain how DNA can turn off these super powers you keep referring to. I can only assume you don't have a great understanding of what DNA does, but I will await a bit longer before passing judgement. Perhaps you know something about DNA that biologists don't know.

I don't USE the bible to justify alien encounters.

And I keep asking you why a book first passed down by oral tradition by dessert nomads that did not have written language is being used in the first place for this justification you make.

again you lack focus, he always was an alien

More blame for you not being convincing. How could me lacking focus affect the quality of what you present? I'm going to guess that anyone that doesn't find your claims to be credible must also lack focus.

and no one ever wanted to acknowledge the obvious facts, or they were blind to them, I'm not sure which.

Obviously, it is not obvious like you falsely claim.

This is a claim made by people that suffer from religious paranoia FYI.
In an alternate form of religious paranoia of a psychiatric nature, the patient can suffer from a permanent delusion of a primarily religious nature. He could, for example, believe that he is the messenger of God who has been sent to the world to propagate some religion.

Which I'm glad I don't believe in religion.

I never said you did. I was just pointing out that you claiming to set people free is the same type of behavior observed in people that suffer from religious paranoia.

How about the one where you are a messenger of some sort here to set people free. Convince us that you are not just some guy being silly making silly claims. I half expect to see a reply from you saying, "got you suckers, hahahaha".

Notice readers that he did not attempt to provide evidence that he has a message to set us free, nor did he attempt to confirm that he is not just joking around even though he said this:

The only thing you have been asking for is proof, but when I ask for you to be more specific you don't answer.

How much more specific do I need to be. I know, I know, it's probably my fault.

That's funny, I was actually expecting that from you.

Seriously? You think I joined this site over 6 years ago just to pull a fast one on you now? Something tells me that you didn't think this one through?

[mickeymudge]

[Replying to post 71 by Clownboat]

You mean it was a mistake. It was a mistake to claim that there is a supernatural language that you understand.

Oh not at all, notice how you don't understand it.

Once more, you are projecting your failure on to me. It's my fault you can't be clearly understood. Sure thing there buddy.



Well it's not an easy subject to a beginner and I can see that.

I don't feel that there is anything there that is real for me to miss out on. I will continue to believe that you are wrong until you demonstrate what it is I missed out on.

Of course you would, anyone would be blind to things they don't see or understand.

And again, you blame me. Rather than showing all of us that I missed out on "X", you would rather put the fault on others for being blind. This is all very telling.



Well you are having a big problem following along.

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or prioritize information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.

LOL, you are so lost.

More blame, and even after you had admitted to identifying specific activity in the Bible. I think the readers will see that I am not the lost one here.



Well again, a belief or hypothesis is YOUR interpretation of what I'm presenting. You are however still wrong. You see a belief would imply that I have an opinion, which like I said, I never had an opinion when I originally started out and found this. A hypothesis suggests that I have limited evidence, and I have paramount evidence which I have repeated to you over and over, and if you don't take your ADHD medication I will not stop repeating myself.

#1. God is visioned by Ezekiel descending from the sky's in a UFO. Clearly God is an Alien, and I will reject your non acceptance of this until you point me to who else it could be.
#2. God was the alleged creator when Adam and Eve ended up getting their memory back in the Garden of Eden. Again this is a Hallmark clue for Intervention. If I'm wrong please be prepared to explain how else Trees can be said to have knowledge, other wise I reject your bias claim that it's not proof. Anyone who has studied the Supernatural knows that the erasing of someones memory is often a key factor present.

The abduction narrative
Main article: Narrative of the abduction phenomenon

Although different cases vary in detail (sometimes significantly), some UFO researchers, such as folklorist Thomas E. Bullard[28] argue that there is a broad, fairly consistent sequence and description of events that make up the typical "close encounter of the fourth kind" (a popular but unofficial designation building on Dr. J. Allen Hynek's classifying terminology). Though the features outlined below are often reported, there is some disagreement as to exactly how often they actually occur.

Bullard argues most abduction accounts feature the following events. They generally follow the sequence noted below, though not all abductions feature all the events:

Capture. The abductee is somehow rendered incapable of resisting, and taken from terrestrial surroundings to an apparent alien spacecraft.
Examination and Procedures. Invasive physiological and psychological procedures, and on occasion simulated behavioral situations, training & testing, or sexual liaisons.
Conference. The abductors communicate with the abductee or direct them to interact with specific individuals for some purpose, typically telepathically but sometimes using the abductee's native language.
Tour. The abductees are given a tour of their captors' vessel, though this is disputed by some researchers who consider this definition a confabulation of intent when just apparently being taken around to multiple places inside the ship.
Loss of Time. Abductees often rapidly forget the majority of their experience, either as a result of fear, medical intervention, or both.
Return. The abductees are returned to earth, occasionally in a different location from where they were allegedly taken or with new injuries or disheveled clothing.
Theophany. Coinciding with their immediate return, abductees may have a profound sense of love, a "high" similar to those induced by certain drugs, or a "mystical experience", accompanied by a feeling of oneness with God, the universe, or their abductors. Whether this is the result of a metaphysical change, Stockholm syndrome, or prior medical tampering is often not scrutinized by the abductees at the time.
Aftermath. The abductee must cope with the psychological, physical, and social effects of the experience.

Please see "LOSS OF TIME."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction

The common use of the ability to read minds, and being invisible, and possessing advanced technology to control us through DNA, and visions, and telepathy, and walking on water, and parting the seas, are all alien abilities.

The fact that the bible says Earth is not our home, is a dead ringer that we are aliens to this planet.


nat-u-ral
naCH()rl/
adjective
adjective: natural

1.
existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=natural+definition

So if you're so sure that Earth is our home, please try to explain to me why the mere definition of the word "Natural" eliminates us from that possibility?

Who in the world would set out to try to prove God was a space alien? What would be the benefit? Who would believe you?

For one, someone suffering from religious paranoia. Or someone that sells books on UFO's, or someone that hold conferences on such a thing. There are reason.
Your logic in action:
Why would anyone try to prove that Big Foot was real? Therefore, Big Foot is real. (He is real by the way, he's just blurry in real life. Tehe)

I think your confirmation bias is working on you

More blame. Refreshing.


Ya I guess you're right, just think of all the people that have gotten filthy rich off of the claim that they got to see big foot.

1924 Albert Ostman
1924 Fred Beck
1941 Jeannie Chapman and her children
1958 Bulldozer operator Jerry Crew
1967 Roger Patterson and Robert Gimlin
2007 Rick Jacobs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot

None of which have I ever heard of, nor am I able to find any of them that got rich off this alleged Idea. At the same time it's important to point out that you're comparing alleged contacts of over 3.7 million people, to just 6 that I'm able to find on Wiki. Clearly you're comparing apples to oranges. The other thing that you are missing is that Aliens that travel and abduct people here on Earth, don't live here on Earth, which is mostly why hard confirm-able evidence is impossible. Where as bigfoot lives here. Clearly you're comparing Grapes to nuts. From looking at both examples, I'm not seeing anything lucrative for any of them, but in fact, a lot of shame by the general public.

If Bigfoot had been witnessed by over 3.7 million people, I would probably feel pretty stupid if I didn't agree with you.

Prevalence

Reports of the abduction phenomenon have been made around the world, but are less common outside of English speaking countries, especially the United States.[4]
The Roper Poll

In 1991, Hopkins, Jacobs and sociologist Dr. Ron Westrum commissioned a Roper Poll in order to determine how many Americans might have experienced the abduction phenomenon. Of nearly 6,000 Americans, 119 answered in a way that Hopkins et al. interpreted as supporting their ET interpretation of the abduction phenomenon. Based on this figure, Hopkins estimated that nearly four million Americans might have been abducted by extraterrestrials. The poll results are available at this external link: Abduction by Aliens or Sleep Paralysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction_claimants

Notice how you haven't proven me wrong!

And you cannot prove that I don't have an invisible dragon in my basement. Do you have a point?
YouTube videos and Holy Books need to be shown that their claims are true, not dis-proven.


I see, so what you are saying is NONE of them could be based on the truth! I have never seen the disclaimer for YouTube viewers that all videos are fictitious. Could you please site it's location?

Do you know what else is a hallmark occurrence amongst abductees? A lack of evidence. I'm not saying that aliens haven't visited or that they don't exist, we just don't know for sure. People can and do make all sorts of claims. Some benefit from making such claims by being paid to write articles or to make appearances. This provides motive to perpetuate a lie.
Thanks for the YouTube video of a person that writes articles for a UFO magazine and makes appearances to talk about abductions though. Very convincing. Obviously this means that the god of the Christian religion is an alien.

Then you obviously didn't watch the video, as you would have noticed that there was matched witnessed reports by people that didn't know each other, and never spoke to one another.

Sure, and like I offered to you before, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale. Trust me, because I say I'm trustworthy. (I did watch the entire video by the way)
Not everything you read on the internet can be trusted. - Abraham Lincoln

Of course there is a lack of evidence. Aliens don't live on Earth, and they have advanced technology. They don't want you to know who they are when they are done with you. It's just as simple as a situation where we dart a wild animal in the wild from helicopter. Do you really think they know who to blame? Again part of that not knowing for sure if to avoid obvious world wide panic, some of it's from non believers, and some of it is from the lack of evidence that they leave, and some of it is from the fact that no type of evidence would ever be accepted as proof. Now when you do the math on what you have left, you can see why most people don't accept such things.

Some benefit, ya sure 3.7 million? That's not a benefit, that's a conspiracy! And for what? I'm sure they don't get rich off of it. The only person I even know of that has even made a movie about his abduction is Travis Walton, so as far as the idea panning out, it doesn't look like like the other 99% ever caught on, LOL. Why don't you call your local TV station and tell them that you are pretty sure you were abducted by aliens last night, then ask them how much they are willing to pay you for an exclusive. I'm going to guess a big fat 0.

We first of all we have had better leaders since Abraham Lincoln, so you're a little behind the times. Second, your metaphor suggests that abductions are all lies. So please tell me the incriminating evidence you have that helped you come to this conclusion, and don't try to say YOU have never been abducted, therefore it's not possible. You have also never contracted Ebola, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And since we are on the subject, do you believe we have a president named Obama, that runs our country?

We just don't know for sure. You just don't get it do you? If people are so incredulous to the point that they will assume that aliens don't pilot UFO's you can clearly see where the problem is. It doesn't matter if some alien walked up to you and slapped you in the face, and abducted you and erased your memory. YOU would obviously believe, but the majority of the public would laugh and debunk you, despite you having marks on your body or even implants.

More blaming...
Like I said, aliens could be real and people could be getting abducted. But for you to jump from that possibility to then claim that a god in a Holy Book is not only real, but a space alien is a jump that Evil Knievel couldn't have made.

I don't know how you fail to understand that it wasn't a jump I MADE. The content was simply there and I read it. It's almost like saying you could never understand your wife cheating on you, but if you were to find out that it was with another woman, well that's just inconceivable. I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but events in life do not always fall within the comfortable limitations of your own mind. There are things in this world that don't actually have anything to do with YOU.

So I guess the Roper Poll back in 1991 that estimated at that time, that 3.7 million Americans will have been abducted was just a hoax too. The video was NOT about people writing articles, it was about the recreation of an event. And the video was not to prove that God is an alien, it was to prove that memory gets erased.

Sweet! Show us this proof that you claim is there. Prove to us that memory gets erased by aliens. Still not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand though.

I just directed you to the video, which proved conclusively, that she had lost memory. If you missed it, watch it again. I'm not going to re post the link, you can go fish. Your ADHD is going to run YOU around, not me.

As far as proving to you AGAIN that aliens erase memory, you can once again, go fish, and look above for the posted material from wiki, see LOSS OF TIME. You're not seeing what this has to do with the topic at hand, because you once again weren't paying attention to the part I referenced from the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve got their memory back. Yes what a shock, as it's probably just now hitting you, aliens erased Adam and Eve's memory and brought us to Earth so that we would not know we were abducted.

But clearly you don't pay attention.

Well, this was refreshing.

I think it's more like you need a refreshing on paying attention skills, and being able to follow things.

It's because of confirmation bias. You only hear what you want to hear so that you don't have to properly apply the facts that would otherwise prove you to be wrong.

First you seem to have an issue with the word "solace" and now it seems you have issues with the word facts.
Apparently YouTube videos are facts.
Forgive me if I reject this claim.

Well then you should be able to direct me to the disclaimer that clearly indicates that videos can't have facts.

Well there is a heck of a lot to this understanding. One thing you obviously don't get is that God had an alien ability to be invisible.

Why do you continue to blame others? Your argument so far is unconvincing. Deal with that fact, don't blame others when they don't believe your claims.

So you're not convinced because no one in the bible was ever able to see the invisible alien?

This means any of his race as well. Which is why he was never seen in the bible.

Remember what I said about pride?
Exodus 33:23 And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.
Exodus 32:30 For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

32:30 The next day Moses said to the people, You have committed a great sin. But now I will go up to the Lord; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.
33:23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.
33:20 But, he said, you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.

This could easily give the perception of these things talking, or him pretending to be them talking. You're just a tad lacking in the education department about the Supernatural which seems to be an ongoing problem here.

Let's forget about the fact that you were just shown to be wrong and continue to blame me shall we?

Thank you for sharing with us that there are like minded people. This is something we knew already though.

And when did a debunker become like minded?

Full 180 just like that? Both of you are now alien abductee debunkers? What paragraph did this happen in?

In The Spaceships of Ezekiel Blumrich asserts that Ezekiel's account in the Bible was not a description of a meeting with God in a prophetic vision, but one of several encounters with ancient astronauts in a shuttle craft from another planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spaceships_of_Ezekiel

I can't hold your hand on this one. You have to read it, and accept it for what it says. Clearly you are WRONG. Professionals are clear that it's a description of a spaceship. Maybe you will think of Evilkinevil in a different light now.

You see, not only are you lacking in the Supernatural education, you're also lacking some knowledge in real world education.

Careful guy, your replies will probably be viewed as personal here by claiming I lack real world education. Another claim of which you do not poses the ability to evidence. No matter though, this is just you once again shifting the blame.
How dare we not hang on your every word and believe what you say without evidence!

There is no need for me to treat you as though you're educated, I'm the only one presenting any facts here. Well that's not the problem, you're not hanging on ANYONE'S word. Even when there are over 3.7 million. Clearly you are just being this way on purpose.
You DO lack something in education. How can I show you the mountains of evidence that I have, Like 3.7 million people and you still don't get it?
Well then how about we both stop shifting blame, and you just own up to the fact that you're basing your inability to understand either on a lack of education or ignorance.

Visions, as in the bible, like I was referring to, is in reference to what we know today as Remote viewing, or Astral Projection, or The third eye, aka, visions, or Perceive according to God. This is a SUPERNATURAL ability that God disabled from us.

Clearly this is not what you were referring to. You in fact asked me what a vision was? How can you be referring to a specific meaning of a word when you are asking me to define it? I did define it and even provided examples. I know... blame me!

It's exactly what I was asking for, and if you would have been paying attention to the fact that the bible deals with the Supernatural, you would have known.

There are dozens today that posses a fair working version of this ability

One example you provided was already shown be be a hoax. Please forgive me if I do not take you at your word here with this claim.


Well you are WRONG once again. Your education, or the lack of, once again, is failing you. I can only guess that once again, rather than looking into the claim, you were simply more preoccupied with finding a field goal. In this instance you turn out to be about 40 years behind the times.

The US Government hired people with the gift of Remote viewing, during the cold war. Some of those people and historical events you can look into are...

Sept 1971 Ingo Swann begins PK research with Cleve Backster
Nov 1971 Swann participates in PK experiments in Gertrude Schmeidler's lab; also participates in OBE experiments.
8 Dec 1971 First remote viewing experiment (describing weather in Tucson, AZ from ASPR offices in NYC). Term "Remote Viewing" is adopted.
22 Feb 1972 First beacon experiments (also conducted at ASPR)
March 1972 Cleve Backster shows Swann a letter from Dr. Hal Puthoff at Stanford Research Institute. Swann and Puthoff communicate.
6 June 1972 Swann/Puthoff magnetometer / quark-detector equipment experiment in physics building at Stanford University.
27 June 1972 Puthoff communicates with Kit Green, Central Intelligence Agency, concerning the magnetometer experiment results.
Aug 1972 Under Puthoff's supervision, CIA representatives conduct first evaluation trials with Swann. Russell Targ visits Puthoff at SRI.
1 Oct 1972 CIA awards SRI $50K exploratory contract.
Sept 1972 Russell Targ joins the RV program at SRI.
Summer 1973 Pat Price and Ingo Swann remote view NSA's Sugar Grove facility in West Virginia.
July 1974 Pat Price's operational remote viewing of a facility near Semipalatinsk in USSR conducted.
18 Oct 1974 Russell Targ and Hall Puthoff publish article on remote viewing research in Nature.
July 1975 CIA terminates involvement in and funding of remote viewing.
Late 1975 Air Force Foreign Technology Division becomes the primary funder of SRI research program, with Dale Graff supervising.
March 1976 Puthoff & Targ publish a major article about remote viewing in Proceedings of IEEE.
1976 Dr. Edwin May joins RV program at SRI International.
1977 The book Mind Reach (Targ & Puthoff) is published.
June 1977 Founding of Mobius Group; Project Deepquest - a submarine RV experiment is jointly conducted by SRI International / Stephan Schwartz.
Sept 1977 US Army's remote viewing program GONDOLA WISH is extablished by Lt. F. Holmes "Skip" Atwater at the direction of the Army Assistant Chief of Staff Intelligence, Maj. Gen. Edmund Thompson.
13 July 1978 GONDOLA WISH name is changed to GRILL FLAME.
Oct 1978 US Army's INSCOM is tasked by the ACSI with developing a parapsychology program.
Dec 78 - Jan 79 Selection of remote viewers for GRILL FLAME. Mel Riley, Joe McMoneagle, Ken Bell, and three others are included.
4 Sept 1979 First Army-conducted operational remote viewing session performed.
March 1979 Remote viewers working with Dale Graff at Wright-Patterson AFB and at SRI correctly locate downed Soviet TU-22 recce aircraft.
1979-81 Stephan Schwartz conducts Alexandria Project, a remote viewing archaeology project in Egypt. His book Alexandria Project is subsequently published.
ca. 1980 Air Force Chief of Staff cancels AF RV program; Dale Graff joins Defense Intelligence Agency as principal staff officer for remote viewing effort.
1981-82 Puthoff and Swann develop coordinate remote viewing (CRV) architecture.
1982 Russell Targ leaves SRI International's RV program. Mel Riley departs Ft. Meade's operational RV unit.
1982 With Swann as instructor, two individuals (Tom McNear and Rob Cowart) begin first CRV training.
Dec 1982 US Army's RV project's name is changed to CENTER LANE.
1983 Charlene Cavanaugh joins military RV unit in August; Paul H. Smith joins in September.
Jan 1984 Bill Ray joins military RV unit; second group of CRV candidates begins training (group includes Smith, Ray, Charlene Chavanaugh; Ed Dames is last minute addition to training contract while remaining assigned to his sponsoring unit).
1984 The book Mind Race (Targ & Keith Harary) is published.
Apr 1984 Lyn Buchanan joins the Ft. Meade RV unit.
Sept 1984 Joe McMoneagle retires from the Ft. Meade RV unit.
July 1984 Brig. Gen Harry Soyster replaces Maj. Gen. Bert Stubblebine as Commander, INSCOM. Orders close of Army's CENTER LANE RV program. Soyster eventually persuaded to allow transfer of program & personnel to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
1985 Dr. Hal Puthoff leaves SRI International to take directorship of Institute of Advanced Studies in Austin, TX. Dr. Edwin May becomes director of SRI's program.
1985-86 Caravel Project, an underwater archaeology project conducted by Stephan Schwartz.
31 Jan 1986 After a year of holding operational control, DIA takes formal control of the military operational RV program, and renames it SUN STREAK. Ed Dames joins RV unit.
1986 Mel Riley is once more assigned to the Ft. Meade RV unit.
1987 Brig Leander Project, an underwater archaeology project conducted by Stephan Schwartz.
Dec 1987 F. Holmes "Skip" Atwater departs the Ft. Meade RV unit on retirement leave.
June 1988 David Morehouse is assigned to the Ft. Meade RV unit.
Dec 1988 Ed Dames departs the Ft. Meade RV unit.
June 1990 David Morehouse departs, and Mel Riley retires from the Ft. Meade RV unit.
Aug 1990 Paul Smith is reassigned from the Ft. Meade RV unit to the 101st Airborne Division for Desert Shield / Desert Storm.
Late 1990 Dale Graff becomes chief of the Ft. Meade RV unit, and changes project name to STAR GATE.
1991 Edwin May moves RV research program from SRI International to Science Applications International Corporation.
Jan 1992 Lyn Buchanan retires from the Ft. Meade RV unit.
1993 The book Mind Trek (McMoneagle) is published.
June 1993 Dale Graff retires.
1994 Wording added to Federal Y95 budget transferring control of STAR GATE from DIA to CIA.
1995 CIA begins Congressionally directed evaluation of RV as an intelligence tool. American Institutes of Research is hired to do a "scientific" study; in the report officially published in September the AIR concludes that RV has no value as an intelligence tool. Significant questions are raised about the completeness and accuracy of the AIR study.
30 June 1995 CIA cancels STAR GATE program. The five remaining personnel are reassigned to other jobs in the government.
27 August 1995 Jim Schnabel/Channel Four TV's The Real X-Files: America's Psychic Spies appears as a prime time special in the UK. Interviewed are Gen. Ed Thompson, Hal Puthoff, John Alexander, Mel Riley, Lyn Buchanan, Ed Dames, former CIA director Stansfield Turner.
28 Nov 1995 Ted Koppel's Nightline discusses existence of government remote viewing effort. Interviewed are former CIA director Robert Gates, Dale Graff, Edwin May, Joe McMoneagle, etc.
1996 Remote Viewing is featured in many media articles and broadcasts, and becomes a featured item on Art Bell's and other talk shows.
Nov 1996 The book Psychic Warrior (David Morehouse) is published.
Feb 1997 The book Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies (Jim Schnabel) is published.
18 March 1999 The International Remote Viewing Association is formed.
19-20 March 1999 First remote viewing conference: CRV Conference hosted by Lyn Buchanan's training company, P>S>I. Featured speakers: Russell Targ, John Alexander.
19-20 May 2000 Year 2000 Remote Viewing Conference in Mesquite, NV.
Featured speakers: Charles T. Tart, Jessica Utts, Larry Dossey, Marcello Truzzi.
June 2001 First IRVA sponsored remote viewing conference. Held at Texas, Station Las Vegas, NV.
Featured speakers: Edgar Mitchell, Dean Radin, Jeffrey Mishlove.
June 2002 IRVA remote viewing conference in Austin, TX, celebrating 30 years of remote viewing.
Featured speakers: Ingo Swann, Hal Puthoff, Dale Graff, Cleve Backster.
October 2003 Joint sponsorship of remote viewing conference with the A.R.E. in Virginia Beach, VA.
Featured speakers: Charles Cayce, James Spottiswoode, Hal Puthoff, and Dale Graff.
June 2004 IRVA remote viewing conference in Las Vegas, NV.
Featured speakers: Ingo Swann, Melvin Morse, and Daryl Bem.
June 2006 IRVA remote viewing conference in Las Vegas, NV.
Featured speakers: Ingo Swann, William Tiller, and Dean Radin.
October 2007 IRVA remote viewing conference in Las Vegas, NV.
Featured speakers: Jacques Vallee, Jessica Utts, and George McMullen.
June 2009 IRVA remote viewing conference in Las Vegas, NV.
Featured speakers: Roger Nelson, John Alexander, Skip Atwater, and Dale Graff.
June 2010 IRVA remote viewing conference in Las Vegas, NV.
Featured speakers: Jim Channon, Donald Hoffman, and Brenda Dunne.
June 2011 IRVA remote viewing conference in Las Vegas, NV.
Keynote speaker: Stephen E. Braude, Ph.D.
June 2011 First Ren Warcollier Prize Awarded to Lance William Beem, principal investigator, and co-investigators, Debra Katz, Melvin Morse, MD, and John Peter Thompson.

http://www.irva.org/remote-viewing/timeline.html

Today there are 16 training centers across the US where you can pay money to get training from a share 70 trainers, and they have graduates. These people originally worked for the government during the cold war, where they were used as spy's to retrieve sensitive information about Russia. Russia had some as well, and eventually their viewers were viewing our viewers, and sent assassins over to kill some of our viewers. Decommissioned in 89 which is when they opened up their own businesses.

Why has no one stepped up to claim the 1 million dollar prize then? Forgive me for being skeptical of this claim of yours, after all, remember what Abraham Lincoln said about believing what you read on the internet.

LoL, because they actually made a lot more than that working for the government.

Here is the order to have this ability removed...
Isaiah's Commission from the Lord

More evidence from a holy book written by desert nomads without written language? Well done!

I must have missed the documented section where it explains that desert nomads wrote the book. Can you please direct me to that?

Ya, and animals can talk too. There is no question.

If God, and any others of his species, were able to be invisible, they could easily fool you either by accident or on purpose that animals were talking to you.

Again you lack focus.

You are getting what you consider to be evidence from a book that has talking animals in it. I notice this and yet you blame me for lacking focus. Bit odd don't you think?

His ability is quite odd. But that's how the Supernatural is.

This isn't a religion, and I see no mention of God. Anyone can have a belief, but I'm specifically referring to ones that contain God, and I already told you that.

Correct, it is part of many religions. Can you show me where ancestral worship is included in the Bible?
Remember your claim:
(Religions) all looks the same except to the point where we are in contact with God

Here is the big deal. If the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true, then the Qu'ran is true for the same reason and any other book that simply makes that same claim.

Well if you can't understand the bible correctly, what makes you believe you would understand the Qu'ran?

And like I keep saying, our interpretations of our interactions with God are the only differences.

I encourage you to continue saying this. Helps to establish a certain level of credibility.

But you would probably never believe the possibility that several others of Gods species, were addressing the planet with slightly different details at the same time. It is a possibility you have to consider. Just keep telling yourself, "I understand the bible."

The bible is FILLED with orders of punishment, that always end in turn and be healed. God is making us sick through out the bible, but if we turn, we can be healed. These are orders sent to have our DNA rewritten for the punishments.

This has been asked of you before here. Please explain how DNA can turn off these super powers you keep referring to. I can only assume you don't have a great understanding of what DNA does, but I will await a bit longer before passing judgement. Perhaps you know something about DNA that biologists don't know.

Yes, perhaps. You see, like you, it would appear that the NIH is certainly incredulous to the possibility that someone else has screwed up our DNA. Oddly enough, we have proof of tampering in our DNA, which they may not have a clue as to why. We have our dated lineage going back as far as 587,000 years from Y-chromosome Adam, and up to 200,000 years with Mitochondiral Eve. This is a clue that those people were relocated here as they are clearly carrying lineage from different times. Eve is the only female to have a straight line of descent to all living humans on Earth today, while her contemporaries failed to produce unbroken lines. Again clearly meaning Eve was removed from her contemporaries.

I don't USE the bible to justify alien encounters.

And I keep asking you why a book first passed down by oral tradition by dessert nomads that did not have written language is being used in the first place for this justification you make.

OH, No, I wasn't trying to justify anything. I stumbled into it.

again you lack focus, he always was an alien

More blame for you not being convincing. How could me lacking focus affect the quality of what you present? I'm going to guess that anyone that doesn't find your claims to be credible must also lack focus.

Only when they refuse to accept the possibility while we have over 3.7 million Americans that have most likely been abducted.

and no one ever wanted to acknowledge the obvious facts, or they were blind to them, I'm not sure which.

Obviously, it is not obvious like you falsely claim.

Well ya, at least it's not when dealing with you, I'm learning. I dunno, I think 3.7 million people makes it a little to obvious.

This is a claim made by people that suffer from religious paranoia FYI.
In an alternate form of religious paranoia of a psychiatric nature, the patient can suffer from a permanent delusion of a primarily religious nature. He could, for example, believe that he is the messenger of God who has been sent to the world to propagate some religion.

Now how in the heck are you going to play doctor, when you can't even take a subtle hint from a figure of 3.7 million Americans? Well I don't believe in faith or religion, and I also don't believe in the common ways that would apply to someone agreeing to believe in God either. But I would like to know what complicated process you used to determine that I suffer from this.

Which I'm glad I don't believe in religion.

I never said you did. I was just pointing out that you claiming to set people free is the same type of behavior observed in people that suffer from religious paranoia.

Sure, but have any of them had as many scientific facts to support theirs?
We already determined you don't compare things correctly.

How about the one where you are a messenger of some sort here to set people free. Convince us that you are not just some guy being silly making silly claims. I half expect to see a reply from you saying, "got you suckers, hahahaha".

Notice readers that he did not attempt to provide evidence that he has a message to set us free, nor did he attempt to confirm that he is not just joking around even though he said this:

The only thing you have been asking for is proof, but when I ask for you to be more specific you don't answer.

How much more specific do I need to be. I know, I know, it's probably my fault.

That's funny, I was actually expecting YOU to say that. I have provided you with more than enough evidence.
It does however take a process of thought to understand, and I think that's where you are failing. Sort of like how you don't understand the bible.

That's funny, I was actually expecting that from you.

Seriously? You think I joined this site over 6 years ago just to pull a fast one on you now? Something tells me that you didn't think this one through?

Now that would ALSO be a Supernatural ability that we allegedly have as well, that is suppose to somehow be tied into the remote viewing. Apparently we have the ability to see into the future. Now this is where I GET INCREDULOUS. But this is the claim.

[Danmark]

Now that would ALSO be a Supernatural ability that we allegedly have as well, that is suppose to somehow be tied into the remote viewing. Apparently we have the ability to see into the future. Now this is where I GET INCREDULOUS. But this is the claim.

This reply to a very long post with many points appears to be a non sequitur, or would if it were comprehensible. What is the "that" you refer to? What are you referring to specifically when you talk about the ability to see into the future.

[Peter]

Hence a careful study of the diagrams might lead one to think special creation is a better explanation since it is evident that fish don't give any hint of being ancestors to primates.

Please share your Theory of Special Creation so that we may directly compare its merits to those of the Theory of Evolution. Thanks.

[mickeymudge]

Now that would ALSO be a Supernatural ability that we allegedly have as well, that is suppose to somehow be tied into the remote viewing. Apparently we have the ability to see into the future. Now this is where I GET INCREDULOUS. But this is the claim.

This reply to a very long post with many points appears to be a non sequitur, or would if it were comprehensible. What is the "that" you refer to? What are you referring to specifically when you talk about the ability to see into the future.

You will have to Google it. Our remote viewing is tied into the ability to somehow see into the future. All I remember reading about it is that it's very picky on when and how it wants to work, to the degree that a certain number of things have to be in order for you to even be able to access it. It's online though.

[H.sapiens]

[Replying to post 75 by mickeymudge]
Charlatans, con-men and the clinically insane (e.g., the Oracle at Delphi) have been running the "only when the time is right and the signs are propitious" routine for a long, long time. Remote viewing, telekinesis, divination, telepathy, all that ESP stuff never works in the presence of someone who does not believe ... convenient, no? If you have a skeptic in the room the power is turned off.

[Danmark]

Now that would ALSO be a Supernatural ability that we allegedly have as well, that is suppose to somehow be tied into the remote viewing. Apparently we have the ability to see into the future. Now this is where I GET INCREDULOUS. But this is the claim.

This reply to a very long post with many points appears to be a non sequitur, or would if it were comprehensible. What is the "that" you refer to? What are you referring to specifically when you talk about the ability to see into the future.

You will have to Google it. Our remote viewing is tied into the ability to somehow see into the future. All I remember reading about it is that it's very picky on when and how it wants to work, to the degree that a certain number of things have to be in order for you to even be able to access it. It's online though.

This is no rebuttal. You've written an incomprehensible rebuttal that is a nonsequitur, if it can be understood at all, and your response is "Google it?"

It's not responsible to tell people that if they can't understand your confusing melange of English that they are the ones who bear the burden of research and comprehension.

I might as well write, "Dare starry oaf ladle Rot Rotten Hut" and tell you to 'Google it" if you don't get it.

Bye dare weigh, yew shod. Eights vary enter tane in.

[mickeymudge]

[Replying to post 75 by mickeymudge]
Charlatans, con-men and the clinically insane (e.g., the Oracle at Delphi) have been running the "only when the time is right and the signs are propitious" routine for a long, long time. Remote viewing, telekinesis, divination, telepathy, all that ESP stuff never works in the presence of someone who does not believe ... convenient, no? If you have a skeptic in the room the power is turned off.

No, the powers don't work because God disabled them, as noted in the bible. Now the only ones I have found in the bible are for Telepathy and Remote viewing, but the rest are through todays science.

Skeptics don't determine whether or not an ability is working, they just deny it either way. If you would have read my posts earlier I was even commenting how a family member told me that just because God was seen coming down to Earth in a UFO is not proof that he is an alien.

[mickeymudge]

Now that would ALSO be a Supernatural ability that we allegedly have as well, that is suppose to somehow be tied into the remote viewing. Apparently we have the ability to see into the future. Now this is where I GET INCREDULOUS. But this is the claim.

This reply to a very long post with many points appears to be a non sequitur, or would if it were comprehensible. What is the "that" you refer to? What are you referring to specifically when you talk about the ability to see into the future.

You will have to Google it. Our remote viewing is tied into the ability to somehow see into the future. All I remember reading about it is that it's very picky on when and how it wants to work, to the degree that a certain number of things have to be in order for you to even be able to access it. It's online though.

This is no rebuttal. You've written an incomprehensible rebuttal that is a nonsequitur, if it can be understood at all, and your response is "Google it?"

It's not responsible to tell people that if they can't understand your confusing melange of English that they are the ones who bear the burden of research and comprehension.

I might as well write, "Dare starry oaf ladle Rot Rotten Hut" and tell you to 'Google it" if you don't get it.

Bye dare weigh, yew shod. Eights vary enter tane in.

I wasn't sure which of the dozens of sites to choose from so I just picked this one.

https://www.remoteviewingproducts.com/viewing.cfm