Evolution is stupid

[BigChrisfilm]

GOOD GRIEF WILL SOMEONE GIVE ME SOME PROOF OF EVOLUTION BEFORE I PUNCH MYSELF SQUARE IN THE FACE! LOL.

[Fisherking]

Evolution is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Creation is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Then you can show some experiments that demonstrate this?

Can you show some experiments that demonstrate evolution is a fact?

And which particular form of 'Creationism'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'creation'.

Which particular form of 'Evolution'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'Evolution'.

[Goat]

Evolution is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Creation is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Then you can show some experiments that demonstrate this?

Can you show some experiments that demonstrate evolution is a fact?

And which particular form of 'Creationism'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'creation'.

Which particular form of 'Evolution'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'Evolution'.

Well, first of call no one ever said that 'Existance is evolution'. however, creation is existence. Perhaps if you define what you mean by 'creation', so we don't get into the
logical fallacies of equivocation. You do know about 'definitions' don't you.

And yes, there are experiments that prove evolution.

For example, you might want to look at this thread here, and discuss it rationally if you can.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8251

So, we have an experiment that demonstrates the validity of evolution, which counters your first claim, and we have dealt with the straw man of the second one.

Now, perhaps you can first show which definition for 'creation' you are using, and provide evidence that your views are correct that aren't logical fallacies, straw men, assumptions, or statements of faith?

[Fisherking]

Evolution is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Creation is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Then you can show some experiments that demonstrate this?

Can you show some experiments that demonstrate evolution is a fact?

And which particular form of 'Creationism'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'creation'.

Which particular form of 'Evolution'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'Evolution'.

Well, first of call no one ever said that 'Existance is evolution'.

Exactly, just like no one said creation is existance (except yourself).

Perhaps if you define what you mean by 'creation', so we don't get into logical fallacies of equivocation.

Perhaps if you define what you (and others who make the claim of fact regularly) mean by 'evolution' we won't get into logical falacies of equivocation.

And yes, there are experiments that prove evolution.

For example, you might want to look at this thread here, and discuss it rationally if you can.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8251

After you have picked which definition for evolution you want to use to match this data, I'm sure it will appear to (to the gullible) support the claim that 'evolution' is fact.

So, we have an experiment that demonstrates the validity of evolution.

Of course. Evolutionists will define evolution to mean whatever the experiment demonstrates and then claim the experiment demonstrates the validily of evolution.

[Goat]

Evolution is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Creation is a fact - as factual as gravity.

Then you can show some experiments that demonstrate this?

Can you show some experiments that demonstrate evolution is a fact?

And which particular form of 'Creationism'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'creation'.

Which particular form of 'Evolution'. Please, describe the experiment that demonstrates that existence is 'Evolution'.

Well, first of call no one ever said that 'Existance is evolution'.

Exactly, just like no one said creation is existance (except yourself).

Then, please, give me your definition, and show that it is proven just like gravity.

Perhaps if you define what you mean by 'creation', so we don't get into logical fallacies of equivocation.

Perhaps if you define what you (and others who make the claim of fact regularly) mean by 'evolution' we won't get into logical falacies of equivocation.

And yes, there are experiments that prove evolution.

For example, you might want to look at this thread here, and discuss it rationally if you can.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8251

After you have picked which definition for evolution you want to use to match this data, I'm sure it will appear to (to the gullible) support the claim that 'evolution' is fact.

So, we have an experiment that demonstrates the validity of evolution.

Of course. Evolutionists will define evolution to mean whatever the experiment demonstrates and then claim the experiment demonstrates the validily of evolution.

Well, evolution has a specific definition. I am sorry if you are just getting snotty, and refuse to accept that definition. I think you like to just argue against strawmen.

[Fisherking]

Well, evolution has a specific definition.

What specific definition might you be referring to?

[Goat]

Well, evolution has a specific definition.

What specific definition might you be referring to?

For biological evolution , the change of alleles over time.

[bernee51]

Natural selection says that we have the attributes that we have because they helped us to survive and gave us a slight advantage because we would pass those attributes to our descendants.

Almost - but not quite. What is selected are genes. If the genes are beneficial to the success of the 'gene survival machine' those genes will be passed on.

So, why would evolution provide us with a nerve inside our tooth so that if one of them develops a cavity it would be so painful to eat that we would abstain from eating till we become so weak that a predator kills us.

Because other genes balance the survival probabilities of the organism with the tooth. If that balance was not there there the tooth would not be as it is or the organism that has the tooth would fail to be successful

Can you see that even though we have figured out the 'how' of evolution, we can still debate the 'why'.

The Selfish Gene is a good place to begin to move toward an understanding of 'why'

I don't know why we have nerves and blood vessels in our teeth, but I am willing to bet 200 tokens that someone out there will have a good explanation for it.

Having them is obviously not an issue in the survival of the genes that lead to their development.

[Fisherking]

Well, evolution has a specific definition.

What specific definition might you be referring to?

For biological evolution , the change of alleles over time.

Ok, I will now give the equivalent defintion of creation.

Creation- the act of creating

[Cathar1950]

Natural selection says that we have the attributes that we have because they helped us to survive and gave us a slight advantage because we would pass those attributes to our descendants.

Almost - but not quite. What is selected are genes. If the genes are beneficial to the success of the 'gene survival machine' those genes will be passed on.

So, why would evolution provide us with a nerve inside our tooth so that if one of them develops a cavity it would be so painful to eat that we would abstain from eating till we become so weak that a predator kills us.

Because other genes balance the survival probabilities of the organism with the tooth. If that balance was not there there the tooth would not be as it is or the organism that has the tooth would fail to be successful

Can you see that even though we have figured out the 'how' of evolution, we can still debate the 'why'.

The Selfish Gene is a good place to begin to move toward an understanding of 'why'

I don't know why we have nerves and blood vessels in our teeth, but I am willing to bet 200 tokens that someone out there will have a good explanation for it.

Having them is obviously not an issue in the survival of the genes that lead to their development.

I was just reading about how some genes are passed on without much of any known use and emerge later with other genes. As we evolve we take things with us. By us I mean populations.
Sometimes just srviving is enough.

[Cathar1950]

Well, evolution has a specific definition.

What specific definition might you be referring to?

For biological evolution , the change of alleles over time.

Ok, I will now give the equivalent defintion of creation.

Creation- the act of creating

What "act"?
Is that like writers creating a story as the unknown authors of the "J" or "E" parts of Genesis?