what flavor of creationism/evolutionism?

Creationism, Evolution, and other science issues

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Poll ended at Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:46 pm

Literal Biblical 6 Day Creation
2
11%
God set the universe in motion and stepped back, no more intervention.
1
5%
A Form of Young Earth Creationism other than option 1
0
No votes
God used Evolution but intervened from time to time.
2
11%
Totally Natural Forces created the Universe.
6
32%
Totally Natural Forces created the Universe.
6
32%
The Universe is Eternal.
2
11%
 
Total votes: 19

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what flavor of creationism/evolutionism?

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For the creationists here, I am just curious . . .
What form of creationism do you belive in? The literal 6 day creation as described in the Bible? Some other form of Young Earth Creationism? God-guided evolution? A God who got the process started and then backed off? Intellegent design? Don't care as long as there's room for God in it?

Also, any evolutionists who want to specify their views are also welcome :D

If I'm gonna talk about evolution vs creationism, I'd like to have a good survey of who I'm talking to . . .

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Right now, i'm leaning more towards Intelligent Design. I am still searching for answers though.

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rocky_923 wrote:Right now, i'm leaning more towards Intelligent Design. I am still searching for answers though.
If I understand ID, that should be option 4: God used evolution but intervened.

Correct me if I'm wrong--unfortunately i can't seem to revise the poll.

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Hello, this is my first post to this forum, having just registered. And I'll nail my colours to the mast straight away by saying that I am a 6-day creationist.

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One quibble. "Evolution" didn't generate the universe. "Evolution (As science understands it), deals with how populations of life forms change over time. It has nothing to do wuth the universe, or even with how life originated.

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Philip J. Rayment wrote:Hello, this is my first post to this forum, having just registered. And I'll nail my colours to the mast straight away by saying that I am a 6-day creationist.
welcome Mr. Rayment. glad to have more creationists in here. we're always in need of more, because we seem to always be outnumbered by evolutionists and atheists.

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steen wrote:One quibble. "Evolution" didn't generate the universe. "Evolution (As science understands it), deals with how populations of life forms change over time. It has nothing to do wuth the universe, or even with how life originated.
Oops, that is my mistake as far as my use of the word "evolution" goes :oops: I will be more careful with my wording from here on.

However, I intended the question to encompass the origin of the universe, of earth, and of life on earth. As well as the development of species including humankind. Cosmological origin and biological evolution do go hand in hand, after all. And they are also addressed in the creation myths (hehe showing my bias here :eyebrow: ).
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starseyer wrote:
steen wrote:One quibble. "Evolution" didn't generate the universe. "Evolution (As science understands it), deals with how populations of life forms change over time. It has nothing to do wuth the universe, or even with how life originated.
Oops, that is my mistake as far as my use of the word "evolution" goes :oops: I will be more careful with my wording from here on.

However, I intended the question to encompass the origin of the universe, of earth,
Astronomy, right?
and of life on earth.
Abiogenesis, right?
As well as the development of species including humankind.
The Scientific Theory of Evolution.

Yes, creationism is in disagreement with most science, not just the biological field of Evolution.
Cosmological origin and biological evolution do go hand in hand, after all.
Hmm, I must admit to not seeing that.
And they are also addressed in the creation myths (hehe showing my bias here :eyebrow: ).
Indeed. As I pointed out, the Creation myths of almost every culture and religion of this world are in discongruence with multiple fields of science.

Personally, that is why I rely more in the sciences.

Science is the exploration of the "what" and the "how," while Christianity and religions are the exploration of the "why." They need not be in opposition, except for those who insist on crossing over and have one seeking the answers of the other.

(he, he showing MY bias here. I still believe that if creationists would take a look at talk.origin and weed out some of the more absolutist and erroneous claims about evolution, the discussions would be a lot more fruitful.)

(PPS. EDIT> That wasn't meant as a criticism of you, sorry if it gave that impression. I suddenly realized that when I read my reply

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Ah, yes...the creaion stories. There are so many of them. All are equally valid, really. I agree with steen, but phrase it this way: let the actual evidence in the world itself tell us. That, of course, is science.
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steen wrote:Astronomy, right?
Abiogenesis, right?
The Scientific Theory of Evolution.

Yes, creationism is in disagreement with most science, not just the biological field of Evolution.
Cosmological origin and biological evolution do go hand in hand, after all.
Hmm, I must admit to not seeing that.
And they are also addressed in the creation myths (hehe showing my bias here :eyebrow: ).
Indeed. As I pointed out, the Creation myths of almost every culture and religion of this world are in discongruence with multiple fields of science.
I always think of astronomy and cosmology in harmony with the Theory of Evolution. This is mainly because it was in my college Astronomy class, when I learned about the scientific theories of the origins of the universe (the big bang in particular) that my mind was open to the possibility of biological evolution. (I used to be a staunch anti-evolutionist.) The theory of how the atoms we are made of were formed in the stars, and how the earth itself came to be formed, goes hand in hand with the Theory of Evolution as a coherent scientific view of where we came from.

Science is the exploration of the "what" and the "how," while Christianity and religions are the exploration of the "why." They need not be in opposition, except for those who insist on crossing over and have one seeking the answers of the other.

(he, he showing MY bias here. I still believe that if creationists would take a look at talk.origin and weed out some of the more absolutist and erroneous claims about evolution, the discussions would be a lot more fruitful.)

(PPS. EDIT> That wasn't meant as a criticism of you, sorry if it gave that impression. I suddenly realized that when I read my reply
No offense taken, even if it had been a criticism. ;)
I strongly believe that any natural explanation of the universe and life and all cannot be absolute disproof of the existance of god(s). Though I do think that the evidence points in that direction . . .
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