Gay marriage

[inviere1644]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

[Switgent]

Animals are amoral to me.

We are all animals. What does morality have to do with pleasure from sex versus procreation? I was trying to show that we are much like the dogs, seeking momentary pleasure with little thought for future potential outcomes.

Also, I wasn't talking about artificial insemination by the woman or very brief vaginal intercourse. I was *specifically* talking about oral and anal intercourse, and non-specifically talking about any other non-vaginal intercourse. Notice how in both cases you describe there is vaginal penetration with sperm. You also need to present *actual evidence* instead of just 'there are plenty of cases', which is just hearsay. If you can't, don't make vague references to evidence you don't present.

It is vague indeed vague to perceive humans as animals and classify them to Dogs. Although we may all be animals as per your description, there is classifications when it comes a human being and a dog. A human being is a higher animal, where as a dog represents a lower animal.

A dog can defecate and lick same. It can do so because it is a low animal. When a human being does so we say, "He is insane". A dog will eat its food with the mouth on the ground; a human being will put it in a plate and eat it with the fingers.

Where was plate and how come we use the fingers to eat? Simple! Society accepts the fact that we eat with our fingers and we eat on a platform; not the floor. Society decides what is right and wrong and as long as in my society same sex marriage is abhorred, it is a wrong act.

[Deadclown]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

As a moderate straight man, I'm in support of gay marriage. I believe strongly that being gay is not a choice, and that asking gay people to suppress sexual urges completely for their whole life is just ridiculous. They should have the same option to enter into a loving and committed relationship as heterosexuals.

I am finding some difficulties as regard the term 'Choice'. All actions emanates from a thought, urge and or feelings and emotions. A human makes a decision before he acts. The decision to go gay is a choice emanating from prolong thoughts and feelings (i.e. desires). Speaking from experience, there are some gay rich folks in my community who entice young and innocent children with monies and gifts and gradually introduce them to this act.

In a space of two years i can confirm the increase of same sex activities in one of our regions. Persons who were straight were introduced to the act by foreign white nationals who lured them with monies and or gifts just to sleep with them. YOU CAN DEFINITELY CALL THIS A CHOICE.

Your anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. We'd have to take your word on it (with no confirmation) and even if we did it proves nothing. In your 'personal experience' did those young innocent individuals bribed into homosexual sex acts by rich amoral gay people (eyeroll) become utterly homosexual or were they just demonstrating bisexual tendencies? Likewise, it sounds like you are equating homosexuality to pedophilia. Which is both incorrect and horribly insulting. It sounds like your above post is not much more than inflammatory hate speech with very poor backing.

[Switgent]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

As a moderate straight man, I'm in support of gay marriage. I believe strongly that being gay is not a choice, and that asking gay people to suppress sexual urges completely for their whole life is just ridiculous. They should have the same option to enter into a loving and committed relationship as heterosexuals.

I am finding some difficulties as regard the term 'Choice'. All actions emanates from a thought, urge and or feelings and emotions. A human makes a decision before he acts. The decision to go gay is a choice emanating from prolong thoughts and feelings (i.e. desires). Speaking from experience, there are some gay rich folks in my community who entice young and innocent children with monies and gifts and gradually introduce them to this act.

In a space of two years i can confirm the increase of same sex activities in one of our regions. Persons who were straight were introduced to the act by foreign white nationals who lured them with monies and or gifts just to sleep with them. YOU CAN DEFINITELY CALL THIS A CHOICE.

Your anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. We'd have to take your word on it (with no confirmation) and even if we did it proves nothing. In your 'personal experience' did those young innocent individuals bribed into homosexual sex acts by rich amoral gay people (eyeroll) become utterly homosexual or were they just demonstrating bisexual tendencies? Likewise, it sounds like you are equating homosexuality to pedophilia. Which is both incorrect and horribly insulting. It sounds like your above post is not much more than inflammatory hate speech with very poor backing.

Sorry if my take connotes inflammatory hate speech; that is your opinion though. I am not in any preaching hate. I may hate the act but not the personality. The example i gave of gay persons luring persons into the act is to negate your take on "choice'. I was just trying get you to learn how gayism spreads in my country. Those that travel with no partners to our country with their 'unsuppressed sexual feelings', unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the act. This is irrespective of age. Let us for example ruleout the issue of children and let say young adults. They are enticed. Those that you say should not be forced to suppress their sexual feelings unleash this feeling on heterosexuals and gradually win them into the act.

I am saying, this is a choice that a person make. I don't have control over the culture and perception of your country but i can control mine. In my country, once again, you cannot make a choice outside societal norms.

[Autodidact]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

As a moderate straight man, I'm in support of gay marriage. I believe strongly that being gay is not a choice, and that asking gay people to suppress sexual urges completely for their whole life is just ridiculous. They should have the same option to enter into a loving and committed relationship as heterosexuals.

I am finding some difficulties as regard the term 'Choice'. All actions emanates from a thought, urge and or feelings and emotions. A human makes a decision before he acts. The decision to go gay is a choice emanating from prolong thoughts and feelings (i.e. desires). Speaking from experience, there are some gay rich folks in my community who entice young and innocent children with monies and gifts and gradually introduce them to this act.

In a space of two years i can confirm the increase of same sex activities in one of our regions. Persons who were straight were introduced to the act by foreign white nationals who lured them with monies and or gifts just to sleep with them. YOU CAN DEFINITELY CALL THIS A CHOICE.

Your anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. We'd have to take your word on it (with no confirmation) and even if we did it proves nothing. In your 'personal experience' did those young innocent individuals bribed into homosexual sex acts by rich amoral gay people (eyeroll) become utterly homosexual or were they just demonstrating bisexual tendencies? Likewise, it sounds like you are equating homosexuality to pedophilia. Which is both incorrect and horribly insulting. It sounds like your above post is not much more than inflammatory hate speech with very poor backing.

Sorry if my take connotes inflammatory hate speech; that is your opinion though. I am not in any preaching hate. I may hate the act but not the personality. The example i gave of gay persons luring persons into the act is to negate your take on "choice'. I was just trying get you to learn how gayism spreads in my country. Those that travel with no partners to our country with their 'unsuppressed sexual feelings', unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the act. This is irrespective of age. Let us for example ruleout the issue of children and let say young adults. They are enticed. Those that you say should not be forced to suppress their sexual feelings unleash this feeling on heterosexuals and gradually win them into the act.

I am saying, this is a choice that a person make. I don't have control over the culture and perception of your country but i can control mine. In my country, once again, you cannot make a choice outside societal norms.

And I don't suppose in your country adult heterosexual men ever entice, bribe or even coerce young women, unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the age, irrespective of age? Do adult heterosexual men sometimes unleash this feeling on young women and gradully win them into the act?

[Goat]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

As a moderate straight man, I'm in support of gay marriage. I believe strongly that being gay is not a choice, and that asking gay people to suppress sexual urges completely for their whole life is just ridiculous. They should have the same option to enter into a loving and committed relationship as heterosexuals.

I am finding some difficulties as regard the term 'Choice'. All actions emanates from a thought, urge and or feelings and emotions. A human makes a decision before he acts. The decision to go gay is a choice emanating from prolong thoughts and feelings (i.e. desires). Speaking from experience, there are some gay rich folks in my community who entice young and innocent children with monies and gifts and gradually introduce them to this act.

In a space of two years i can confirm the increase of same sex activities in one of our regions. Persons who were straight were introduced to the act by foreign white nationals who lured them with monies and or gifts just to sleep with them. YOU CAN DEFINITELY CALL THIS A CHOICE.

You are confusing 'homosexual behavior' with pedophilia. This is a common tactic to conflate the two.

There also is a difference between 'ok, let's exchange sex for money', and being attracted to the same sex to begin with. One is known as 'prostitution for survival purposes', and the other is physical and emotional attraction. There is a difference you know. There is the desire, and then there is the physical act for money.

[Switgent]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

As a moderate straight man, I'm in support of gay marriage. I believe strongly that being gay is not a choice, and that asking gay people to suppress sexual urges completely for their whole life is just ridiculous. They should have the same option to enter into a loving and committed relationship as heterosexuals.

I am finding some difficulties as regard the term 'Choice'. All actions emanates from a thought, urge and or feelings and emotions. A human makes a decision before he acts. The decision to go gay is a choice emanating from prolong thoughts and feelings (i.e. desires). Speaking from experience, there are some gay rich folks in my community who entice young and innocent children with monies and gifts and gradually introduce them to this act.

In a space of two years i can confirm the increase of same sex activities in one of our regions. Persons who were straight were introduced to the act by foreign white nationals who lured them with monies and or gifts just to sleep with them. YOU CAN DEFINITELY CALL THIS A CHOICE.

Your anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. We'd have to take your word on it (with no confirmation) and even if we did it proves nothing. In your 'personal experience' did those young innocent individuals bribed into homosexual sex acts by rich amoral gay people (eyeroll) become utterly homosexual or were they just demonstrating bisexual tendencies? Likewise, it sounds like you are equating homosexuality to pedophilia. Which is both incorrect and horribly insulting. It sounds like your above post is not much more than inflammatory hate speech with very poor backing.

Sorry if my take connotes inflammatory hate speech; that is your opinion though. I am not in any preaching hate. I may hate the act but not the personality. The example i gave of gay persons luring persons into the act is to negate your take on "choice'. I was just trying get you to learn how gayism spreads in my country. Those that travel with no partners to our country with their 'unsuppressed sexual feelings', unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the act. This is irrespective of age. Let us for example rollout the issue of children and let say young adults. They are enticed. Those that you say should not be forced to suppress their sexual feelings unleash this feeling on heterosexuals and gradually win them into the act.

I am saying, this is a choice that a person make. I don't have control over the culture and perception of your country but i can control mine. In my country, once again, you cannot make a choice outside societal norms.

And I don't suppose in your country adult heterosexual men ever entice, bribe or even coerce young women, unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the age, irrespective of age? Do adult heterosexual men sometimes unleash this feeling on young women and gradually win them into the act?

You seem to be deviating from your own line of argument. You are speaking in terms of making a 'choice'. You said gays do not make a choice to be gay; i say they do make choices to be gay and i cite an example in terms of young persons who are introduced to the acts by affluence and becoming gays. I say they have a choice to become or not become but they decide to.

In the argument as regard heterosexual feelings towards youngwomen; the question is the degree of acceptance in a sect or say society. It is not wholly a taboo for a man to make advances at a youngwoman but it is for a man to make advances towards a youngman PERIOD

[Autodidact]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

As a moderate straight man, I'm in support of gay marriage. I believe strongly that being gay is not a choice, and that asking gay people to suppress sexual urges completely for their whole life is just ridiculous. They should have the same option to enter into a loving and committed relationship as heterosexuals.

I am finding some difficulties as regard the term 'Choice'. All actions emanates from a thought, urge and or feelings and emotions. A human makes a decision before he acts. The decision to go gay is a choice emanating from prolong thoughts and feelings (i.e. desires). Speaking from experience, there are some gay rich folks in my community who entice young and innocent children with monies and gifts and gradually introduce them to this act.

In a space of two years i can confirm the increase of same sex activities in one of our regions. Persons who were straight were introduced to the act by foreign white nationals who lured them with monies and or gifts just to sleep with them. YOU CAN DEFINITELY CALL THIS A CHOICE.

Your anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. We'd have to take your word on it (with no confirmation) and even if we did it proves nothing. In your 'personal experience' did those young innocent individuals bribed into homosexual sex acts by rich amoral gay people (eyeroll) become utterly homosexual or were they just demonstrating bisexual tendencies? Likewise, it sounds like you are equating homosexuality to pedophilia. Which is both incorrect and horribly insulting. It sounds like your above post is not much more than inflammatory hate speech with very poor backing.

Sorry if my take connotes inflammatory hate speech; that is your opinion though. I am not in any preaching hate. I may hate the act but not the personality. The example i gave of gay persons luring persons into the act is to negate your take on "choice'. I was just trying get you to learn how gayism spreads in my country. Those that travel with no partners to our country with their 'unsuppressed sexual feelings', unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the act. This is irrespective of age. Let us for example rollout the issue of children and let say young adults. They are enticed. Those that you say should not be forced to suppress their sexual feelings unleash this feeling on heterosexuals and gradually win them into the act.

I am saying, this is a choice that a person make. I don't have control over the culture and perception of your country but i can control mine. In my country, once again, you cannot make a choice outside societal norms.

And I don't suppose in your country adult heterosexual men ever entice, bribe or even coerce young women, unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the age, irrespective of age? Do adult heterosexual men sometimes unleash this feeling on young women and gradually win them into the act?

You seem to be deviating from your own line of argument. You are speaking in terms of making a 'choice'. You said gays do not make a choice to be gay; i say they do make choices to be gay and i cite an example in terms of young persons who are introduced to the acts by affluence and becoming gays. I say they have a choice to become or not become but they decide to.

In the argument as regard heterosexual feelings towards youngwomen; the question is the degree of acceptance in a sect or say society. It is not wholly a taboo for a man to make advances at a youngwoman but it is for a man to make advances towards a youngman PERIOD

When did I say that gays do not make a choice to be gay?

It sounds like you think gay relationships are so wonderful that if a young person is persuaded to try it, they will choose to remain that way.

I see. As long as society accepts it, it's fine with you, right or wrong. Your only concern is with societal mores, not right or wrong. So, for example, if society accepts selling young girls into sexual slavery and arranged marriages, that's fine.

btw, if this happens in a society that does accept homosexuality, then it's fine with you?

[Switgent]

Ok, as a moderate gay man I'm always interested to see what people on the liberal and conservative spectrums have to say about this issue. So, is it right or wrong? why or why not?

As a moderate straight man, I'm in support of gay marriage. I believe strongly that being gay is not a choice, and that asking gay people to suppress sexual urges completely for their whole life is just ridiculous. They should have the same option to enter into a loving and committed relationship as heterosexuals.

I am finding some difficulties as regard the term 'Choice'. All actions emanates from a thought, urge and or feelings and emotions. A human makes a decision before he acts. The decision to go gay is a choice emanating from prolong thoughts and feelings (i.e. desires). Speaking from experience, there are some gay rich folks in my community who entice young and innocent children with monies and gifts and gradually introduce them to this act.

In a space of two years i can confirm the increase of same sex activities in one of our regions. Persons who were straight were introduced to the act by foreign white nationals who lured them with monies and or gifts just to sleep with them. YOU CAN DEFINITELY CALL THIS A CHOICE.

Your anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. We'd have to take your word on it (with no confirmation) and even if we did it proves nothing. In your 'personal experience' did those young innocent individuals bribed into homosexual sex acts by rich amoral gay people (eyeroll) become utterly homosexual or were they just demonstrating bisexual tendencies? Likewise, it sounds like you are equating homosexuality to pedophilia. Which is both incorrect and horribly insulting. It sounds like your above post is not much more than inflammatory hate speech with very poor backing.

Sorry if my take connotes inflammatory hate speech; that is your opinion though. I am not in any preaching hate. I may hate the act but not the personality. The example i gave of gay persons luring persons into the act is to negate your take on "choice'. I was just trying get you to learn how gayism spreads in my country. Those that travel with no partners to our country with their 'unsuppressed sexual feelings', unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the act. This is irrespective of age. Let us for example rollout the issue of children and let say young adults. They are enticed. Those that you say should not be forced to suppress their sexual feelings unleash this feeling on heterosexuals and gradually win them into the act.

I am saying, this is a choice that a person make. I don't have control over the culture and perception of your country but i can control mine. In my country, once again, you cannot make a choice outside societal norms.

And I don't suppose in your country adult heterosexual men ever entice, bribe or even coerce young women, unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the age, irrespective of age? Do adult heterosexual men sometimes unleash this feeling on young women and gradually win them into the act?

You seem to be deviating from your own line of argument. You are speaking in terms of making a 'choice'. You said gays do not make a choice to be gay; i say they do make choices to be gay and i cite an example in terms of young persons who are introduced to the acts by affluence and becoming gays. I say they have a choice to become or not become but they decide to.

In the argument as regard heterosexual feelings towards youngwomen; the question is the degree of acceptance in a sect or say society. It is not wholly a taboo for a man to make advances at a youngwoman but it is for a man to make advances towards a youngman PERIOD

When did I say that gays do not make a choice to be gay?

It sounds like you think gay relationships are so wonderful that if a young person is persuaded to try it, they will choose to remain that way.

I see. As long as society accepts it, it's fine with you, right or wrong. Your only concern is with societal mores, not right or wrong. So, for example, if society accepts selling young girls into sexual slavery and arranged marriages, that's fine.

btw, if this happens in a society that does accept homosexuality, then it's fine with you?

The issue of right or wrong doesn't come in our argument since you don't accept religious view in this debate. In the society sitaution right or wrong is defined by the members of society. in this case, society's acceptance of gay will make it right in the sight of society.

[Deadclown]

Sorry if my take connotes inflammatory hate speech; that is your opinion though. I am not in any preaching hate.

You do not have to be hateful to say hateful things. Your comments speak for themselves.

I may hate the act but not the personality. The example i gave of gay persons luring persons into the act is to negate your take on "choice'. I was just trying get you to learn how gayism spreads in my country. Those that travel with no partners to our country with their 'unsuppressed sexual feelings', unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the act. This is irrespective of age. Let us for example ruleout the issue of children and let say young adults. They are enticed. Those that you say should not be forced to suppress their sexual feelings unleash this feeling on heterosexuals and gradually win them into the act.

I am saying, this is a choice that a person make. I don't have control over the culture and perception of your country but i can control mine. In my country, once again, you cannot make a choice outside societal norms.

You confuse homosexual acts with actually *being* homosexual, and identifying as homosexual. Any male can be sodomized. Any female can have sex with another female. This does not make them homosexual, and in the case of rape or coercive situations (like you describe) the individual may not even be bisexual.

You seem to be deviating from your own line of argument. You are speaking in terms of making a 'choice'. You said gays do not make a choice to be gay; i say they do make choices to be gay and i cite an example in terms of young persons who are introduced to the acts by affluence and becoming gays. I say they have a choice to become or not become but they decide to.

You make extremely hasty generalizations (a logical fallacy) based upon anecdotal evidence and an admitted obvious bias of hate towards the action of homosexual sex. Your example isn't worth the time it took you to type it unless you can cite news articles or *something* outside of you making claims to support what you say. How do I know you aren't just lying or making it up to suit your agenda?

In the argument as regard heterosexual feelings towards youngwomen; the question is the degree of acceptance in a sect or say society. It is not wholly a taboo for a man to make advances at a youngwoman but it is for a man to make advances towards a youngman PERIOD

It is, or should be, taboo for any adult to engage an underage person in sex, since it is morally wrong. This is because they are unable of giving true consent and are easily manipulated. So you are talking about pedophilia predators, and trying to apply such ideas to the general homosexual population. This is not only incorrect and fallacious, but it is also very insulting.

[Switgent]

Sorry if my take connotes inflammatory hate speech; that is your opinion though. I am not in any preaching hate.

You do not have to be hateful to say hateful things. Your comments speak for themselves.

I may hate the act but not the personality. The example i gave of gay persons luring persons into the act is to negate your take on "choice'. I was just trying get you to learn how gayism spreads in my country. Those that travel with no partners to our country with their 'unsuppressed sexual feelings', unleashing this act on poor and needy persons by giving them handouts to get them into the act. This is irrespective of age. Let us for example ruleout the issue of children and let say young adults. They are enticed. Those that you say should not be forced to suppress their sexual feelings unleash this feeling on heterosexuals and gradually win them into the act.

I am saying, this is a choice that a person make. I don't have control over the culture and perception of your country but i can control mine. In my country, once again, you cannot make a choice outside societal norms.

You confuse homosexual acts with actually *being* homosexual, and identifying as homosexual. Any male can be sodomized. Any female can have sex with another female. This does not make them homosexual, and in the case of rape or coercive situations (like you describe) the individual may not even be bisexual.

You seem to be deviating from your own line of argument. You are speaking in terms of making a 'choice'. You said gays do not make a choice to be gay; i say they do make choices to be gay and i cite an example in terms of young persons who are introduced to the acts by affluence and becoming gays. I say they have a choice to become or not become but they decide to.

You make extremely hasty generalizations (a logical fallacy) based upon anecdotal evidence and an admitted obvious bias of hate towards the action of homosexual sex. Your example isn't worth the time it took you to type it unless you can cite news articles or *something* outside of you making claims to support what you say. How do I know you aren't just lying or making it up to suit your agenda?

In the argument as regard heterosexual feelings towards youngwomen; the question is the degree of acceptance in a sect or say society. It is not wholly a taboo for a man to make advances at a youngwoman but it is for a man to make advances towards a youngman PERIOD

It is, or should be, taboo for any adult to engage an underage person in sex, since it is morally wrong. This is because they are unable of giving true consent and are easily manipulated. So you are talking about pedophilia predators, and trying to apply such ideas to the general homosexual population. This is not only incorrect and fallacious, but it is also very insulting.

I am beginning to have some difficulties debating with you, even though i seem to be enjoying the debate. I think prior to this debate you are to tell be who you are as regard your belief and make up.

My points remain that every human activity emanates from intuition. When a child is born he comes into the world not knowing right from wrong until he or she is directed. That is why when you feel hungery you don't and plug the eyes of your kid but you go in for food other than human being. in this case we say, " You were directed to make a choice of taste".

From your point of view everyone has the right to do what is an anormally or say what is perceived as improper. If our being human was without laid down rules, i am not sure you and i will be on the net chatting. Social Norms shapes us and make us co-exist.