The Bible Says So....

[Sntrose]

This is directed to my Christian friends here, coming from an atheist. I have been reading through some of the posts here, and I keep running across the same thing. It's got me very confused. Why is it that when asked a moral question, the answer is "because it is in the Bible." ? The line of logic seems to stop there.

Usually, it is accompanied by a quote from Scripture, and then something along the lines of, "it's clearly in the Bible. So that's why it's a sin. The Bible says so."

What it is about this book that I'm not getting? What kind of book is there that could possibly be so infallible that you would never question it's contents? Nothing can be wrong? Not even a translation error? As long as it's in the Bible, you can relax...it must be right! It's in the Bible. So we don't have to think any more?

I sincerely do not intend this to be insulting. I mean it as a question. Read this in a happy voice...not a sarcastic one. That is the tone I intend...and would prefer the answers to be in....

[Ddk42]

[Replying to post 1 by Sntrose]

Hello Sntrose,
In regards to your comment about translation, check out this website.

http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/article1.htm

Respectfully,
Devin

[The Me's]

[Replying to post 1 by Sntrose]

As a Christian, I reject the doctrine that the Bible is "the word of God". My own belief holds the Bible in higher regard than that.

However, I do believe that the Bible contains no errors.

I get a lot of, um, shall we say "feedback" on this, and I have yet to see someone point out a legitimate error with legitimate evidence. Most of the time it's nothing more than someone misreading or altering the text and trying to pass that off as an error.

So, the doctrine of infallibility is only 99.87% correct in my view.

[Artie]

I get a lot of, um, shall we say "feedback" on this, and I have yet to see someone point out a legitimate error with legitimate evidence. Most of the time it's nothing more than someone misreading or altering the text and trying to pass that off as an error.

Well, the Bible thinks the Earth is flat and stationary. Surely that would be a legitimate error? http://louisjacobs.org/library/articles ... mology.php

[The Me's]

I get a lot of, um, shall we say "feedback" on this, and I have yet to see someone point out a legitimate error with legitimate evidence. Most of the time it's nothing more than someone misreading or altering the text and trying to pass that off as an error.

Well, the Bible thinks the Earth is flat and stationary. Surely that would be a legitimate error? http://louisjacobs.org/library/articles ... mology.php

Yeppers, that's a favorite.

I always ask if you're willing to accept the fact that the writers of the Bible were geniuses and knew what a planet was thousands of years before science did?

You have to be careful of language.

The Hebrew word for "world" is usually "eretz", which can be translated in a number of different ways, such as "land".

All you have to do is ask yourself, if you translate a word according to its context, are you REALLY willing to say "the world is flat" over "the land is flat" when you're talking about people in the Bronze Age or Iron Age?

(Look, if YOU want to make the Bible's writers out to be centuries ahead of their time, I'll go with that.)

[Artie]

Yeppers, that's a favorite.

I always ask if you're willing to accept the fact that the writers of the Bible were geniuses and knew what a planet was thousands of years before science did?

"The Biblical picture is clearly geocentric. The earth has the shape of a flat disc so that if one were able to travel far enough, one would eventually arrive at the 'ends of the earth' (Deut. 13:8; 28:64; Isa. 5:26; Ps. 135:7)."

Please read the bits about the Earth in the article I linked to. It is a legitimate error. Do you need legitimate evidence the Earth is a globe?

[The Me's]

Yeppers, that's a favorite.

I always ask if you're willing to accept the fact that the writers of the Bible were geniuses and knew what a planet was thousands of years before science did?

"The Biblical picture is clearly geocentric. The earth has the shape of a flat disc so that if one were able to travel far enough, one would eventually arrive at the 'ends of the earth' (Deut. 13:8; 28:64; Isa. 5:26; Ps. 135:7)."

Please read the bits about the Earth in the article I linked to. It is a legitimate error. Do you need legitimate evidence the Earth is a globe?

The people who wrote the Bible didn't know what a planet was.
It's impossible for them to have attempted to describe it.

It's far more reasonable to think that the author of your article, and many like them, misunderstand the verses they reference. In that sense, I can't take the article you referenced as authoritative if something as obvious as this is missed.

[Artie]

The people who wrote the Bible didn't know what a planet was.

Obviously. They thought they lived on a flat disc and that it was possible to reach the "ends of the earth". If they had known what a planet was they would never have written what they did in the Bible. Which is why the Bible is in error. That is my whole point.

[The Me's]

The people who wrote the Bible didn't know what a planet was.

Obviously. They thought they lived on a flat disc and that it was possible to reach the "ends of the earth". If they had known what a planet was they would never have written what they did in the Bible. Which is why the Bible is in error. That is my whole point.

No verse exists that says this.

The writers of the Bible said they lived on flat land, not a disc. I don't think you can make this case without putting words into their mouths.

[Danmark]

The people who wrote the Bible didn't know what a planet was.

Obviously. They thought they lived on a flat disc and that it was possible to reach the "ends of the earth". If they had known what a planet was they would never have written what they did in the Bible. Which is why the Bible is in error. That is my whole point.

No verse exists that says this.

The writers of the Bible said they lived on flat land, not a disc. I don't think you can make this case without putting words into their mouths.

The Bible seems is unclear on whether the Earth is a flat disk or whether it's flatness has corners. Either way the Bible got it wrong.

As for no words in the Bible saying it is a 'disc' or that it is a planet that moves around the sun:

"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"
Isaiah 40:22.

Psalms 93:1 "the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."

1.Chronicles 16:30 "Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall
be stable, that it be not moved."

Psalms 104:5 "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be
removed for ever."

Psalms 96:10 "the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved:"


Job 26:11 "The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his
reproof."

Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain,
and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world,
and the glory of them;"

[dominicastar]

This is directed to my Christian friends here, coming from an atheist. I have been reading through some of the posts here, and I keep running across the same thing. It's got me very confused. Why is it that when asked a moral question, the answer is "because it is in the Bible." ? The line of logic seems to stop there.

Usually, it is accompanied by a quote from Scripture, and then something along the lines of, "it's clearly in the Bible. So that's why it's a sin. The Bible says so."

What it is about this book that I'm not getting? What kind of book is there that could possibly be so infallible that you would never question it's contents? Nothing can be wrong? Not even a translation error? As long as it's in the Bible, you can relax...it must be right! It's in the Bible. So we don't have to think any more?

I sincerely do not intend this to be insulting. I mean it as a question. Read this in a happy voice...not a sarcastic one. That is the tone I intend...and would prefer the answers to be in....

As a believer we accept the Word of God as just that, God's Word. It may be written by men, but it is inspired by God.
As such it is our sole arbitrator.
Paul wrote in 2 Tim 3:16-17;
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Just as we have faith in Jesus for our salvation, we have faith in God that His Word is protected and maintained. There are no original manuscripts for the Bible. ALL we have are Greek manuscripts from the first and second centuries AD, but by faith we believe God has maintained His Word and today the modern English translations are very accurate in conveying those manuscripts. One of the biggest archaeological finds ever were the Dead Sea scrolls. I suggest you read up on them to get a better perspective on how they contributed, very positively, to the accuracy of the manuscripts and translations we did have up to that time. They confirmed just about all we know and have translated about the Bible that we have today.

to both you and 4gold, you are not answering the question. I'm really interested in a response.

I understand you believe that god exist and the bible is true, and the resecurrection. The question is WHY??

Why do you believe these things to be ture. Why do you believe there's a god?