IS WITCHCRAFT GOOD OR EVIL?

[acehighinfinity]

[Replying to post 106 by Divine Insight]
DIVINE INSIGHT:

Moreover, I find the verse that you have posted to be quite interesting and I use it frequently to defend my witchcraft against Christian criticism. The Christians often claim that witches get their power from Satan (just as Jesus had been accused of in the verse you've quoted).

However, like Jesus I use my powers for good works. Therefore, for the very same reasons that Jesus gave my powers cannot come from Beelzebub (or Satan) because a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Therefore my powers necessarily must come from God, for precisely the same reasons that Jesus gave.

If what Jesus spoke is truth, then clearly it must also apply to me. I cannot do good works in the name of Beelzebub, demons, or Satan because that would be a house divided against itself.

So I find it rather humorous that Jesus himself has totally vindicated all witches who do good works. Because their power (according to Jesus) can only come from God. Only God's power can be used for good works.

I would like to invite you here DIVINE INSIGHT
The above post caught my attention and I would like to bring this to the light. Now in another thread I am under the impression you study Buddhism but claim not to be a Buddhist, correct?

I am totally against WitchCraft according to the Holy Bible:
Deuteronomy 18:14 "The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so."
Revelation 22:15 "Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."
Leviticus 19:26 "Do not practice divination or seek omens"
...the list goes on.

Questions:
If Divine Insight claim to use WitchCraft for good, then could you or anyone else list those examples please?
Does one see WitchCraft as Good? or
Does one see WitchCraft as Evil?

Feel free to add on.

Thanks in advance,
Ace

[Divine Insight]

Why is it hard for you to provide one good example?

Healing is good. That's the major reason I practice witchcraft.

I also use it for positive creativity. Surely that would be considered good too.

My point wasn't that it is difficult to give an example, but rather that its unimportant.

As I've said, it's like asking if there is a good use for a knife. It should be pretty obvious that there is. But there are also clearly bad things knives can do. Therefore knives are not "good or evil", they are simply objects that can be used as tools or weapons.

Witchcraft is the same way. Therefore witchcraft itself is neither good nor evil. It just is. How it is used determines whether it was used for good or evil.

This same issue actually arises within Christianity. You can ask, "Is Prayer good or bad?". Well, can't that actually depend upon what a person is praying for?

You can certainly pray to God that someone you truly hate will die. I'm sure such prayers have indeed been prayed. Therefore, prayers can be good or evil too.

And more to my point concerning Wicca is that anyone who practices "Wicca" must follow the Wiccan Rede of harming none. Therefore they can only use witchcraft to do good works.

Now you might say, "But what if there are bad Wiccans who aren't following the Wiccan Rede?"

But for me that's a silly question because if they aren't following the Wiccan Rede then they have no business calling themselves "Wiccans".

They can certainly call themselves a "witch" if they want to, because they are indeed practicing "witchcraft", but they can hardly call themselves a Wiccan if they are using witchcraft in any harmful way.

So Wiccan witches qualify for the defense that Jesus used. Their powers can come from Satan because that would then be a house divided against itself. So the power of Wiccans can only come from a divine and benevolent source.

Jesus' defense applies to Wicca. Period.

That's the only point that I care to make. I'm not concerned about any larger picture of witchcraft in general.

If some witches use witchcraft to do evil things, then clearly the defense the Jesus used would not apply to those witches. In fact, since they are doing evil things their power necessarily must come from an evil source.

But that wouldn't be a Wicca Witch.

I'm a Wicca Witch, so Jesus' defense applies to me just as it applied to him. My powers necessarily come from a divine source.

They cannot come from an evil source because I only do good works.

[McCulloch]

Pauls view came from the heart of God. What I have not done is to show "you" that "Paul's view on witchcraft is accurate."

What you have not done is show that Paul's view came from God. You have simply asserted that without evidence. Personally, I disagree with much of what Paul wrote.

The question here is not whether witchcraft is approved or disapproved by the Christian religion but whether it is good or evil.

It should be clear witchcraft is more evil than good. Do I need to repeat why?

Yes, it is your task to make it clear. But what I get is that your religion says that this other religion is bad. So your argument boils down to this: YahDough's religion states that those who practice a certain other religious tradition will not be approved by YahDough's concept of God. Well, thanks for your opinion on the matter, now lets get back to the debate please.

We can all think and even believe what we want about witchcraft. I am going with the truth about it, as the LORD has taught me by His Holy Spirit.

Anyone can claim that God has taught them this or that. It is quite another thing to prove that the claim is accurate.

[acehighinfinity]

[Replying to post 31 by Divine Insight]

Witchcraft is the same way. Therefore witchcraft itself is neither good nor evil. It just is. How it is used determines whether it was used for good or evil.

OK so it is clear here the handler determines whether to use Witchcraft for good or evil. The above I can agree with you on.

This same issue actually arises within Christianity. You can ask, "Is Prayer good or bad?". Well, can't that actually depend upon what a person is praying for? Think

You can certainly pray to God that someone you truly hate will die. I'm sure such prayers have indeed been prayed. Therefore, prayers can be good or evil too.

We either use Prayer or one can also Curse(not recommended though). We pray to GOD for certain or specific request in a positive way or good use requiring FAITH. However, a curse is used in a negative way (evil) as you mentioned "..to God that someone you truly hate will die.."

[Yahu]

[Replying to post 1 by acehighinfinity]

Questions:
If Divine Insight claim to use WitchCraft for good, then could you or anyone else list those examples please?
Does one see WitchCraft as Good? or
Does one see WitchCraft as Evil?

Witchcraft is all together evil even if people claim to use it for good. The mere use of witchcraft corrupts. I have had extensive battles against witchcraft. I lost my wife in a conflict against a high priestess of Ashtoreth and her coven.

I have also been the target of much witchcraft. Try having an entire coven sitting in prison because you exposed their criminal activities. I was the Elijah to the high priestess of Ashtoreth's Jezebel.

Now witchcraft is generally conducted via the worship and/or rituals of high level spirits that send low level spirits to serve the witch in some aspect. There are four primary principalities behind witchcraft which is why many don't identify witchcraft with Satanism because they are following one of the other primary 'gods/goddesses' of witchcraft. It is a resurrection of Baalim worship in direct conflict with the ways of Yah whether those that participate realize it or not. It is nothing new and has been around since Babel when those 'gods' actual walked among mankind.

Four angels that are bound in the Euphrates that are let out is Revelation during the tribulation is the source of those pagan gods. They had children after the flood and are the source of the post-flood Nephilim who where those gods/goddesses. Those principalities are the ghosts of angel/human hybrids with the exception of Asherah. She is a purely human spirit.

For example, there are two primary goddesses of witchcraft. Wicca tends to follow the doctrines of Asherah yet deals with spirits that serve all four principalities. What people don't realize is that Asherah, ie the Canaanite 'mother earth' is just the spirit of Noah's wife, the mother of all living mankind as well as mother of the gods. She later in life had two addition children by one of the angels that formerly guarded Eden before the flood. She has great authority in the spiritual realm.

The pagan deities were source of the rebellion with the raising up of alternate religion against Yah. Those ancient pagan deities were the same individuals worshiped by different cultures by various names/title. For example, the Canaanite goddess Anath was the Egyptian goddess Neith who the Greeks called Athena. Ashtoreth was a combination of Artemis and Aphrodite. They knew just as the Roman's did under you name Diana that she was Artemis in her youth but later in adulthood she was worshiped under different attributes so a different name/persona was created for her. She is the goddess is the 2nd primary goddess of witchcraft. She is referenced all over scripture. For example, she is the 'whore of Babel'. Even the triune goddess of witchcraft was just a combination of the early life of Ashtoreth, her later life and the life of her mother Asherah in the aspects of maiden, mother and crone.

Any Christian has the power to break witchcraft. We have all been given authority over the spiritual realm of the enemy. I had to prove that to the coven. Their own spells and curses were rebounded, not 3x but 7x and they all ended up repenting and testifying against the others or in prison where many more repented and got saved while the rest are dead.

[Divine Insight]

Witchcraft is all together evil even if people claim to use it for good.

And what authority gives you the arrogance to speak on behave of other people?

Try having an entire coven sitting in prison because you exposed their criminal activities

You wouldn't be able to do that with Wiccans, because they wouldn't be committing criminal activities. So clearly the group you are referring to were not Wiccans. But they may have been into Witchcraft. There is nothing preventing criminals from practicing witchcraft. Just as there is nothing preventing criminals from practicing Christianity.

For example, there are two primary goddesses of witchcraft. Wicca tends to follow the doctrines of Asherah.

That's a very strange proclamation on your part. Wicca does not follow a doctrine at all. It's a non-dogmatic religion. If there are a group of people who claim to be "Wiccans" who are following dogma, then that group is abusing the term "Wicca".

I've personally never even heard of the Goddess Asherah, and that particular archetype is not part of my paradigm.

Any Christian has the power to break witchcraft. We have all been given authority over the spiritual realm of the enemy.

The enemy? So as a Christian you are at war with people? You have enemies?

I thought Jesus taught you to love your enemies and to turn your other cheek to them, and if they ask you to walk a mile with them you offer to walk two miles.

How can a Christian possibly have "enemies" that they are out to destroy when Jesus teaches to love your enemies?

It would seem to me that you have a perverted view of Christianity. Using it as a hate cult to belittle and condemn people that you have proclaimed to be your enemies is quite un-Christ-Like.

Like Mahatma Gandhi once said, "I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"

If you are like Christ, you turn your other cheek as your enemies spit in your face, mock you, beat you, and nail you to a pole. And then as you are about to die, you ask that your enemies be forgiven for they know not what they do.

If you are actually waging war against the people whom you have deemed to be your enemies you cannot claim to be following the teachings, or the example, of Jesus.

Hatred spread in the name of Christ is the greatest blaspheme and hypocrisy in all of Christianity.

It goes directly against what Jesus taught and how he lived his life as an example to mankind.

Only turning the other cheek, and allowing people to crucify you freely can you be like Christ. And even then you must not forget to forgive them for their actions.

Fighting against them is behavior befitting only an anti-Christ.

[Yahu]

[Replying to post 35 by Divine Insight]

Fighting against them is behavior befitting only an anti-Christ.

Oh, so the prophet Elijah was an anti-Christ for battling the prophets of Baal of his day?

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 35 by Divine Insight]

Fighting against them is behavior befitting only an anti-Christ.

Oh, so the prophet Elijah was an anti-Christ for battling the prophets of Baal of his day?

Elijah was a prophet of the Old Testament. Jesus was crucified for his blaspheme of the Old Testament. So clearly Jesus did not necessarily agree with Elijah. So yes Elijah could have very easily been anti-Jesus.

In fact, he very well may have been. For all we know had Elijah been living in the days of Jesus, Elijah himself may have been among the Jewish Priests who condemned Jesus. We have no way of knowing otherwise. Jesus may have sat around proclaiming Elijah to be a hypocrite, just as he sat around and proclaimed the Jewish Priests to be hypocrites.

Christians have nailed Jesus onto the Old Testament in the pretense that Jesus then supports anything and everything that's in the Old Testament, but clearly he didn't. If he did, he would have never been crucified for apostasy.

[Yahu]

[Replying to post 37 by Divine Insight]

Elijah was a prophet of the Old Testament. Jesus was crucified for his blaspheme of the Old Testament. So clearly Jesus did not necessarily agree with Elijah. So yes Elijah could have very easily been anti-Jesus.

In fact, he very well may have been. For all we know had Elijah been living in the days of Jesus, Elijah himself may have been among the Jewish Priests who condemned Jesus. We have no way of knowing otherwise. Jesus may have sat around proclaiming Elijah to be a hypocrite, just as he sat around and proclaimed the Jewish Priests to be hypocrites.

Well you just demonstrated your lack of understanding. Yeshua even called His cousin 'John the Baptist' as an 'Elijah' as well as the greatest of all the prophets. It was that cousin that baptized him at the start of His ministry.

Elijah and John the Baptist stood against the corruption in society and religion just as Yeshua did. That corruption in Elijah's day was from the witchcraft conducted via the worship of 'gods' in opposition to YHVH, the Baalim worship of the pagans. Witchcraft is just a repackaging of that corrupt ancient religion that was always in opposition to YHVH.

I know exact what those 'gods/goddesses' are. The high priestess of Ashtoreth I was in conflict against knew exactly what her goddess was. Ashtoreth had been appearing to her since she was 14, raising her up to be the next worldwide high priestess of the primary goddess of witchcraft. She openly admitted that her goddess was the spirit of a dead angelic half-breed that lived during the time of Babel. The twin sister of who most Christians call Lucifer. The Roman's even called her Diana Luciferah.

One of the reasons that high priestess was destroyed was because of all the secret aspects she revealed to me. It was forbidden for anyone but the highest levels of high priestesses to know many of those things. Of course all those of the lower ranks were just deceived.

You asked what authority do I hold. Well I have the same calling as Elijah and John the Baptist. I was called into a prophetic office under the spirit and power of Elijah and within 6 months of that calling I was in a conflict with the next worldwide high priestess of the same goddess as queen Jezebel. Jezebel was a witch and the current high priestess of Ashtoreth of her day.

Now many who practice witchcraft today don't necessarily follow the doctrines and ways of Ashtoreth. Many others involved in goddess worship follow the doctrines of Asherah, the other goddess of witchcraft, Ashtoreth's mother.

There are actually four main gods/goddesses of witchcraft. Only one of them is who Christians would call Satan. One god and goddess is behind 'white witchcraft' and another pair behind 'black witchcraft'. Just because you follow the 'light' side doesn't prevent even being involved with it as evil. The light side god of witchcraft, scripture calls the 'anti-christ' spirit.

[Divine Insight]

There are actually four main gods/goddesses of witchcraft. Only one of them is who Christians would call Satan. One god and goddess is behind 'white witchcraft' and another pair behind 'black witchcraft'. Just because you follow the 'light' side doesn't prevent even being involved with it as evil. The light side god of witchcraft, scripture calls the 'anti-christ' spirit.

You're talking about "witchcraft" as defined entirely by various factions of Christendom.

I don't follow any of the versions of "witchcraft" created by Christendom. The view of "witchcraft" as invented by Christendom is something totally different from the type of "witchcraft" that I embrace in my belief system. So there is no connection whatsoever between the practice I embrace that also just happens to be associated with this same English term - "witchcraft".

Christendom doesn't own the English language.

The type of "witchcraft" that I embrace and employ in my spiritual practices has it's roots from the very ancient Northern European term "Wicce". This terms predates Christianity and has nothing at all to do with Christendoms perverted view of "witchcraft".

The term Wicce, actually means "Wise One" and refers healers (not unlike the fabled Jesus). These healers where basically the ancient doctors of early tribes and they used natural and herbal remedies to heal people.

And this is why Jesus' own defense holds for Northern European "witchcraft". Because the Northern European "witches" were healers who do good works.

It was the hateful movement of Christendom that perverted these Healers and often burned them at the stake accusing them of obtaining their powers from Beezelbub or Satan. Christendom basically picked up where the Jewish Pharisees had left off and continued the evil tradition of accusing healers and those who do good works of doing this in the name of Satan.

So what you are pushing now is more of the same. You are actually taking the very same position that the Pharisees took when they accused Jesus of using the power of Beelzebub or Satan.

But Northern European "witchcraft" was something entirely different from the religion of Christendom. On the contrary it can be traced back to the healing Shamans of ancient China.

So all you are doing is focusing in on the Christendom definition of "witchcraft", which doesn't even apply to things like Modern Day Wicca at all. These terms don't even have the same roots.

Christendom perverted "witchcraft" and within their religious paradigm it has been proclaimed to be a perversion of the will of God. But that is unique to Christendom and holds absolutely no merit throughout the rest of the world.

Jesus himself was a "Witch" by Northern European standards. And Jesus' own defense proves it. And ironically Jesus was defending precisely against the very same kinds of empty charges that you are attempting to bring against anyone who does good works.

In other words, for your charges to hold against me, they must then also hold against Jesus. And if they can't be brought against Jesus, then they can't be brought against me either.

The burning times are over, and those very acts where a result of the Evil of Christendom.

Those same Christians would have burned Jesus at the stake in a heartbeat.

[bluethread]

We also need to be clear on the definition of evil. [...] the Scriptures mean when it speaks of evils. Evil is that which is not according to Adonai's ways. [...] It refers to a wide variety of activities, generally associated with false deities and spirits. [...] Adonai's people are permitted to be involved in the supernatural. [...] What differentiates the prophets and miracle workers of Adonai from magicians and necromancers is the source of there power. A prophet and miracle worker of Adonai is willing to bet his life on the fact that what he is doing is from the Ruach HaChedosh Adonai (Holy Spirit of Adonai) and no one else.

In other words, bluethread, what you are saying is that when your group, the believers in the One True God, are involved with the supernatural in a way approved by your God, it is a good thing. But when those who believe in a form of spirituality different from yours, get involved with the supernatural it is evil and reprehensible.

From where I sit, it seems no different from you saying, "My woo is better than their woo."

Exactly, that is what good and evil means. It is interesting when those who believe in relative morality insist on an absolute good and evil. I am not saying that you believe in relative morality, but that there is no way one can call anything good or evil without a standard, ie. that which meets the standard is good and that which does not is evil. The only possible exception that I can think of is those who see evil as not just the absence of good, but direct opposition to the good. However, that is not the Scriptural standard. As Paul says, "whatsoever is not of faith is sin."