Allah, Gabriel & Muhammad are one?

[Burninglight]

Why do Muslims attack the Christian trinity? They have there own in many ways. There are the three daughters of Allah also known as "the flying cranes whose intercession is hoped for." This is a verse that Uthman abrogated from the Quran. It was a hard thing for Uthman to leave in the Quran after Muhammad's death. Allah had to cancel out Muhammad's Satanic verse. No prophet ever made a mistake like this before Muhammad's time. How could he get away with it? These videos make an argument that the unholy trinity of Islam is Allah, Gabriel and Muhammad. It states they are one and the same. If this is so, do Muslims attack the Christianity trinity only to turn a blind eye to their own unholy trinity?

[Burninglight]

@Yusef: Whether you have done so before or not, it is not right to say someone has been blinded by God. We need to respect 'Burninglights' curiosity and persistence to learn about Islam, no matter how long it takes.

@Burninglight: I also don't think it is right for you to do the same, especially when involving God's name (may I remind you again, that in the Arabic new testament Allah is used for God)

We are all better than this, and as true believers in God, we should love humanity as well. We must care for each others guidance with genuine compassion and not hatred fueled with no understanding.

Can we please return to topic and continue the debate in a civilized manner, myself included.

point taken, but note I wasn't the first to speak of arrogance, and I am trying to be as civil as possible. I know I carry an offensive message in my faith system even if spoken kindly.

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I know I carry an offensive message in my faith systme even if spoken kindly.

I am the same, , I will try to be patient with you if you try to be patient with me.

So, did you read my previous reply? Does it make some more sense now?

[Burninglight]

I know I carry an offensive message in my faith systme even if spoken kindly.

I am the same, , I will try to be patient with you if you try to be patient with me.

So, did you read my previous reply? Does it make some more sense now?

If you notice I have withdraw that from my post so you can delete my quote as well. You are right about doing things in love and being civil. It may not appear as being civil or done with love, but can't say i meant what I said without love. Sometimes saying something shocking and true could wake someone up. Moreover if someone wants respect, they need to give it. I usually respond to posts accordingly.
Now to get back on topic. Do you see Allah, Gabriel and Muhammad as one?

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If you notice I have withdraw that from my post so you can delete my quote as wel

Hey again Burninglight! I can delete posts? sorry Im a newbie to the website.

but can't say i meant what I said without love. Sometimes saying something shocking and true could wake someone up.

I agree, it takes a great deal of patience to try and word your sentences so that they mean as least offence as possible but without infringing of the meaning.

Now to get back on topic. Do you see Allah, Gabriel and Muhammad as one?

Nope, I do not. My previous verse I have shown how in the Qur'an verses are sent in accordance to a certain time and location and for us to understand its meaning we must always look to the context of such verses to understand specific verses, such as the one you provided.

The video you referenced, I am afraid, is very one-sided and demonstrated complete misunderstanding of Prophetic Tradition. It demonstrated the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a very barbaric person and I really disagree.

“You will not enter paradise until you have faith. And you will not complete your faith until you love one another.� - The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

"Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith." - The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

"The best of the houses is the house where an orphan gets love and kindness." - The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

We can really go on for days about his teachings. I hope my posts have been of benefit to you and if you would like to start a new thread or ask any questions I would love to be of assistance.

[Burninglight]

If you notice I have withdraw that from my post so you can delete my quote as wel

Hey again Burninglight! I can delete posts? sorry Im a newbie to the website.

but can't say i meant what I said without love. Sometimes saying something shocking and true could wake someone up.

I agree, it takes a great deal of patience to try and word your sentences so that they mean as least offence as possible but without infringing of the meaning.

Now to get back on topic. Do you see Allah, Gabriel and Muhammad as one?

Nope, I do not. My previous verse I have shown how in the Qur'an verses are sent in accordance to a certain time and location and for us to understand its meaning we must always look to the context of such verses to understand specific verses, such as the one you provided.

The video you referenced, I am afraid, is very one-sided and demonstrated complete misunderstanding of Prophetic Tradition. It demonstrated the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a very barbaric person and I really disagree.

“You will not enter paradise until you have faith. And you will not complete your faith until you love one another.� - The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

"Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith." - The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

"The best of the houses is the house where an orphan gets love and kindness." - The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

We can really go on for days about his teachings. I hope my posts have been of benefit to you and if you would like to start a new thread or ask any questions I would love to be of assistance.

That is fine. You can edit your post if it is within 2 hrs of posting.
So, you must at least believe they are all one in purpose?
Muhammad said love one another? That is Jesus' words, but I have every reason to believe that means other Muslim and not the unbeliever.
The Bible teaches that we should love even our enemies. I don't see the god of Islam promoting love.

Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

These verses don't speak of defending your home or country. It very specifically says to kill the infidel wherever you find him. Islam says live peaceable with unbelievers as well. But if you read between the lines, it is saying live peaceably if you don't have the upper hand, but if you do, spare them not and let them know they have been subdued by paying taxes and keeping them pushed or stepped under foot

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@Burninglight: Hey again!

Your going to have to bear with me, this is a huge reply!

So, you must at least believe they are all one in purpose?�

God’s purpose is different from an angels which is different from a Prophets. A Prophets purpose is to call people to God’s worship, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) is to transmit the message from God to the Prophets etc…

Muhammad said love one another? That is Jesus' words

We believe Jesus was just a Prophet like the Prophet Muhammad just like the Prophet Moses just like the Prophet Abraham etc… so they should all be the same in message and purpose.

Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment, for it is an old one you have always had, right from the beginning. This commandment – to love one another – is the same message you heard before. Yet it is also new. (1 John 2:7-8 NLT)

but I have every reason to believe that means other Muslim and not the unbeliever.

Here are some other sayings that point otherwise:

Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first.

Those who are merciful have mercy shown them by the Compassionate One, if you show mercy to those who are in the earth, He Who is in heaven will show mercy to you

Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed, whether Muslim or non-Muslim

Women are the twin halves of men.

The rights of women are sacred. See that women are maintained in the rights assigned to them.

Forgive him who wrongs you;
join him who cuts you off;
do good to him who does evil to you;
and speak the truth even if it be against yourself.

All known teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

We also have from the Qur'an:

Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.
Qur’an (60:8)

Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

These verses don't speak of defending your home or country. It very specifically says to kill the infidel wherever you find him.

Again for me to explain the above verses, you need to bear with me, as they sound pretty barbaric if taken out of context, we must look to the context they were revealed in and what the verse actually says.

Quran (3:151) We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)

Here the verses in question are referring to the Battle of Uhud, we realize this when we study the tafsir of Ibn Kathir.

http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uhud

Wiki Says:
“Marching out from Mecca towards Medina on March 11, 625 AD, the Meccans desired to avenge their losses at Badr and strike back at Muhammad and his followers. The Muslims readied for war soon afterwards and the two armies fought on the slopes and plains of Mount ‘Uḥud.�

Wiki also says:
Muhammad was born in Mecca around 571 AD into the Quraish tribe. In 622, to escape persecution of Muslims by the Meccans, Muhammad and many of his followers migrated from Mecca to the neighboring city of Medina. This migration is called the Hijra.

So basically, this was just at a time after the Muslims migrated from Mecca where they were persecuted and tortured by the Polytheists and idol-worshipers, to Madina. They fought for their freedom of religion and to practice their religion. After the Battle of Badr, the first battle fought for the freedom of Muslims, the Meccans wished to strike back, which was the battle of Uhud. It was a defensive battle on the part of the Muslims.

Here God says he will strike terror and fear into their hearts so that you may gain victory over them. Whether the Muslims won or not is a separate argument as both sides did not achieve their objectives, however the Muslims suffered more losses.

Qur’an (8:12) (Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.�

When we look at the known tafsir and context of these verses, they were during Battle of Badr. God is talking to the angels not humans. God is not commanding any human to chop off anyones head. He is saying to the angles strike their necks and fingers and toes and help the believers at that specific battle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_badr

Wiki says:
Besides it is believed since they knew they had outnumbered the Muslims by three to one, they expected an easy victory.

Due to the size of the Meccan army against the small Muslims army God sent Angels to fight with the Believers, ofcourse we could not see them.

The Muslim army was not more than 313-317 men, including 82-86 Muhajir (the Emigrants from Makkah) and the others were the Ansaar. They had only two horses and 70 camels to ride. Most of them did not even possess simple weapons to fight; some had swords but no bows and arrows, while others possessed spears but no swords. The army was not well equipped, nor well prepared for war. Moreover, the Muslims were old, sick, starving and weak. But pleased with the words and willingness of the Sahabah to fight the disbelievers and putting all trust in Allah, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) marched towards the wells of Badr.
The disbelievers shocked with the news rushed for Abu Sufyan's help. They took with them a huge army of 1,300 well-equipped soldiers, including 100 horsemen and a large number of camels to fight the Muslims.

We won.

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

This was also at the time when Muslims were being persecuted in their homeland. God finally gave the ‘go’ahead’ to fight for your right to practice your religion. Not kill every living thing in the world – this is against Islamic teaching.

Contrast these statements of God saying fight for your freedom to practice your religion, and that he will strike fear into the heart of an attacking army to the things God commands tribes to do in the Bible:

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

Killing children? And women? Keeping virgins for myself? What are the context of these battles?

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

Killing old people, children and women?

When we study the Bible in detail we find very violent references not just about killing, but rape as well:

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

The rape victim must marry the man that raped her? In fact Deuteronomy 22 is worth a read if you haven’t done so already.


As for the Jizya – something highly misunderstood in Islam
In a Muslim state Muslims must pay zakat tax (2.5 % of their total annual earnings) that goes to the poor and is obligatory on every capable Muslim. As for non-muslims they must pay a tax called Jizya – they pay this for several reasons:

1) They don’t fight in the battles that the Muslims carry out – i.e. they don’t have to serve the army
2) They can practice their religion freely – this also means that the Jizya tax that is paid, goes to the government, and in turn the government builds for them churches and temples etc…
3) They are protected by the Muslims – if anyone attacks them the Muslims defend them.

One would think this is unfair if it is forced and the unbelievers would live ‘under-the foot’ of Muslims but that is not right. Children did not have to pay it, Women did not have to pay it, the POOR did not have to pay it, if you were not able to pay it you were exempted! Slaves did not have to pay it, monks did not have to pay it or hermits. It was there to ensure their safety, and provide for their religious needs (churches etc…)

Contrast this with:

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, [that] all the people [that is] found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
Deu 20:10-15

So if I make peace with the army, I am still enslaved to its people! Even under peace??

Also contrast this with Medieval England and the Catholic Church and its tithes (taxes) on the people. It told people that if they didn’t pay their tax they would burn in Hell forever, something not mentioned in the New Testament or the Old Testament.

Study how Jews lived in Muslim Spain, study how they flourished in Egypt under Muslim-rule. Shows you exactly how religions should coincide with each other and respect each other.

I hope this has helped.

[Burninglight]

Peace:

Thanks for your response. yes, the God of the OT was terrible. I am not sure I understand it all, but the OT didn't birth Christianity. God had them do those things back then for a reason, but he doesn't teach us to go and do likewise today.

This is a comparative religious debate between Islam and Christianity. That violence was done in the OT and not by Christians, but not now. Christians don't follow that. Jesus said love your enemies and to not resist evil and that vengeance is the Lords not ours to take. The Lord will fight for us. This is in stark contrast with Muhammad's message from Gabriel, and that barbaric mind set is still at play in Islam today; it is built into the religion itself, but not in true Biblical Christianity.

If all Muslim were like you, there would be no problems with violence in the earth, but most are not, especially in the Middle East among Muslims. If I were to call a spade a spade. I would plainly say that Islam is as it does. Of course, I expect you to defend it, but I am just calling it the way I see it, but i am not the only one. The big difference between Jesus' message and Muhammad is that Jesus taught love your enemy; Muhammad said cut off their heads and finger tips and to find and kill them and the Jews wherever you find them unbelievers (Non Muslims are unbelievers). No matter how you twist of turn this it is what it is.
Jesus said "If you do good only to those who are good to you what does it profit even the heathen infidels do that?" We are to love our enemies and pray for those who abuse or use us dishonestly.

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Hey Burninglight! Thanks for the comments and respect for my opinion. I respect yours as well and also believe there would be no violence in the world if everyone were to follow exactly what their religion tells them.

Thanks for your response. yes, the God of the OT was terrible. I am not sure I understand it all, but the OT didn't birth Christianity. God had them do those things back then for a reason, but he doesn't teach us to go and do likewise today.

So your saying at one point in time God commanded people to kill children and women?

This is in stark contrast with Muhammad's message from Gabriel, and that barbaric mind set is still at play in Islam today; it is built into the religion itself, but not in true Biblical Christianity.

There was no barbaric mind set, I showed you instances where the exact opposite is true. The verses you showed me were only for a specific time frame and not to be done by all Muslims at all times - taking it out of context is what delusion terrorists do.

And as for built into the religion I showed you what the Prophet said about aiding any person oppressed Muslim or non-Muslim and loving humanity and having mercy towards them so that God have have mercy on us. I also showed you the Qur'an that clearly says God does not forbid us from acting kindly and justly to those that fight us on account of our religion and drive us out of our homes.

especially in the Middle East among Muslims

It is infact a minority of terrorists that receive all of the news attention and makes it seem like the whole of the Middle East goes around killing Jews. I lived and visited many countries in the Middle East, the opposite is true. The people are humble and loving and amazing neighbors! Ofcourse if you go to the wrong places you'll find crazy people, and that isn't due to the religion, it is due to them being ignorant and thinking that killing innocent people is 'justice'.

Of course, I expect you to defend it, but I am just calling it the way I see it, but i am not the only one.

Yes I am the same, there are many problems in places like Saudi Arabia when it comes to Sharia Law being implemented incorrectly and in Afghanistan where the people forbid women from studying etc...But surely that doesn't do anyone justice when you blame the religion. If the Bible says love your enemies and I was a Christian and I killed some 'enemies', does that mean Christianity is wrong? Ofcourse not. I was derranged - I did the exact opposite of what Christianity preaches. Same with Islam. It is not right to judge a religion that teaches the opposite, with the actions of a crazy minority.

The big difference between Jesus' message and Muhammad is that Jesus taught love your enemy; Muhammad said cut off their heads and finger tips and to find and kill them and the Jews wherever you find them unbelievers (Non Muslims are unbelievers). No matter how you twist of turn this it is what it is.

I will repeat again, that I showed you that the Prophet Muhammad taught the love of someone who oppresses you and genuine care for their safety. We are supposed to 'do good to those who do evil to us'. I also showed you how that verse referred to a particular time and place and is not entirely accurate.

We are to love our enemies and pray for those who abuse or use us dishonestly.

Take it from someone who practices Islam, reads about it alot, cannot get enough of it, genuinely believe it can solve everyone's problems, and chose it as my religion - Islam is exactly the same.

[Burninglight]

So your saying at one point in time God commanded people to kill children and women?

Yes and also their animals! I don't fully understand this, but if someone asked me to explain, I would say God had it done to evil nations who reared their children to be worse then themselves; it could have been His way of cutting out a cancer that was spreading too far and fast on the earth. I don't know.

The Aztec Indians used to do things like cut out the hearts of humans while still beating in sacrifice to the sun god. In pre Islamic history Muslims worshipped the moon god Allah and even today Islam has its roots in paganistic pre Islam history and rituals. They still carry the symbol of the crescent moon on top of their Mosques of worship.

Muhammad gave false prophecies such as hoping for the intercession of the flying cranes (Allah's three daughters)
True prophets of God never made these mistakes. If they did they were stoned. Uthman burned the original Qurans that had these false prophecies in them, but if you asked me, I'd say get rid of all the Qurans period. It has done no good for the world at all. The world witnesses only evil from it. Even if Muslims only did good, it still contradicts the Bible or the Scriptures that came before. That alone is wicked beyond words especially when it is claiming to be part of the Abrahamic faith.

Muhammad is not a confirmed prophet. Muslims tell me he is a descendant of Ishmael, No one could prove that for sure, but even if he were, Ishmael was no prophet and no prophets come out of him according to the Bible in Gen 21:12. In fact, Ishmael was blessed by God but reject as the child of promised. He was cast out with his slave mother.

Maybe that is why Muslims consider themselves slaves of Allah. Jesus is born of the free, and he calls us no longer servants but friends. Christians have freedom to do right is right. Muslim are slaves to the deception of Islam. I cannot see it any other way. I mean you no offense, but Christianity carries an offensive message to all even me, but I believe it is the truth. Jesus is the only truth for the salvation of our souls. Islam misses the mark!

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@A Burninglight: Hey again!

Yes and also their animals! I don't fully understand this, but if someone asked me to explain, I would say God had it done to evil nations who reared their children to be worse then themselves; it could have been His way of cutting out a cancer that was spreading too far and fast on the earth. I don't know.

This makes sense, then again, I don’t agree with killing young children. Too young to understand the concept of good and evil. There are many alternatives to saving this young child then to mercilessly kill him/her. Why not show them a miracle? Or guide them when they are older? Why completely kill them? And animals? For goodness sake. You even described this God as being ‘terrible’. Islam is completely against this view of God. We believe He is All-Loving and Merciful.

I understand you don’t know exactly why and respect your explanation.

In pre Islamic history Muslims worshipped the moon god Allah and even today Islam has its roots in paganistic pre Islam history and rituals.

Huh? Moon God? I have studied Islamic history, maybe you could shed some light on this? Also evidence for pre-Islamic rituals in Islam today would also be appreciated.

They still carry the symbol of the crescent moon on top of their Mosques of worship

If this is your reason for the ‘moon God’ then Im sorry to say you are highly mistaken. Where do you learn about Islam?

Muhammad gave false prophecies such as hoping for the intercession of the flying cranes (Allah's three daughters)

Where do you possibly find such remarks and beliefs? This doesn’t even make sense.

True prophets of God never made these mistakes. If they did they were stoned.

Prophets stoned? What do you mean?

Uthman burned the original Qurans that had these false prophecies in them, but if you asked me, I'd say get rid of all the Qurans period.

Yes he did burn copies of the Qur’an that were written by people who did not confirm the written copy with an authentic source – the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Everyone who wrote down a verse needed to check that it is accurate with the Prophet. This was to avoid corruption and changes being passed down to other generations.

If they had anything false that would be the reason for their burning, to preserve the original correct text. How can you claim such copies had prophecies if they were burnt? How are they ‘original’ Qur’ans? Also the Qur’an didn’t come down as one book, but came down as a series of revelations that were then compiled at the time of Uthman, by Uthman. So where are these ‘original Qur’ans’ that you speak of? He was the first to compile the Surahs into a book.

And burn all the Qur’ans? Why?

It has done no good for the world at all. The world witnesses only evil from it.

Comon, ok seriously now, you gotta tell me where you are reading this stuff. If you would like some reliable sites that speak about the ‘real’ Islam I can help you out.

Even if Muslims only did good, it still contradicts the Bible or the Scriptures that came before. That alone is wicked beyond words especially when it is claiming to be part of the Abrahamic faith.

Instead of completely blocking out anything that speaks against the ‘trinity’ why not try and prove the ‘trinity’ is the truth. Why not explain to Muslims the verses they keep bringing up to refute such a doctrine? Why not speak about the solidarity of the text and explain the contradictions within it? Why not explain the anonymity of the authors? Why not explain the various versions and why the translation is still the word of God? Why not explain when the Bible was written?

If you have true faith in your religion, you would go out and learn about why people find problems in your scripture, read about those problems and then increase your faith by showing them that their conclusions are false. You would 'debate' their claims with evidence and reason. Surely just ignoring everyone else is not even doing yourself justice.

By the way, we believe in the Gospel sent to Jesus (peace be upon him).

Muhammad is not a confirmed prophet. Muslims tell me he is a descendant of Ishmael, No one could prove that for sure, but even if he were, Ishmael was no prophet and no prophets come out of him according to the Bible in Gen 21:12. In fact, Ishmael was blessed by God but reject as the child of promised. He was cast out with his slave mother.

OK when we debate, citing your Bible as a reference doesn’t really help. More effective is to probably show me that my own Qur’an says the Prophet is not a Prophet. This is what Muslims do with Christians, we cite their own Bible to show them that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not God, with their own scripture, thus there is a common ground between the two people.

Maybe that is why Muslims consider themselves slaves of Allah. Jesus is born of the free, and he calls us no longer servants but friends.

Muslims believe we are also the friends of God. But we must also realize that He has created us so we will always be in submission to his will. This is what Muslims means. A servant submits to the will of His Creator.

I mean you no offense, but Christianity carries an offensive message to all even me, but I believe it is the truth.

I don’t believe Christianity carries an offensive message at all. I believe its followers are great people and loving neighbors. Christians will always be my friends. I believe it is those who take such a peaceful religion and bend it to make it offensive to everyone else but themselves. When these people do this, I wonder if they even care for the salvation of mankind or not.

And if you believe it is truth, do yourself justice by learning why people have problems with it and then debate them.

Jesus is the only truth for the salvation of our souls. Islam misses the mark!

I respect your opinion, however I would like to make it very clear, that you have completely misunderstood Islam and I highly suggest you read about it from a different source than that which you are currently using.