Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.Risky wrote:
Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf
*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.
Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran
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Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran
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Post #21So you mean christians wrote the Quran, and become muslims?Apple Pie wrote:More than likely, Christians, brother...TrueReligion wrote: You are wrong, Mecca was influenced by PAGANS, not Jews, or Christians, and Quran was revealedd there till 13 years.
Later on 10 years in Medina it was revealed. and in Medina, only 2 tribes were there having little christian influence, Aos and Khizraj. rest it was mostly with Jews, and no church was there at that time.
Read again this.,it has all the references of christian scholars, not muslim historians that you may doubt.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... bible.html
And also it nulify your statement, that if Jews and christians were only literate, so who wrote the Quran? and who copied it from bible?:)
You fall in your own trap Apple-Pie
If you mean this, thn u r wrong again, because christians were not there in Meccca at the time of advent of Islam:)
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Re: Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran
Post #22I read the 'islamic awareness' web site, and it doesn't say that it copied from the bible at all, but that the bible had influence on it. Of course, there will be some stylistic and some stories that are there, since the Jesus and Mary are featuredTrueReligion wrote:So you mean christians wrote the Quran, and become muslims?Apple Pie wrote:More than likely, Christians, brother...TrueReligion wrote: You are wrong, Mecca was influenced by PAGANS, not Jews, or Christians, and Quran was revealedd there till 13 years.
Later on 10 years in Medina it was revealed. and in Medina, only 2 tribes were there having little christian influence, Aos and Khizraj. rest it was mostly with Jews, and no church was there at that time.
Read again this.,it has all the references of christian scholars, not muslim historians that you may doubt.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... bible.html
And also it nulify your statement, that if Jews and christians were only literate, so who wrote the Quran? and who copied it from bible?:)
You fall in your own trap Apple-Pie
If you mean this, thn u r wrong again, because christians were not there in Meccca at the time of advent of Islam:)
in the Quran , with the virgin birth story at that. Since the language and some of the stories are the same , of course there is going to be an influence, but that is
different from 'copying'
The New testement copying from the Jewish scriptures is much more blatant.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Re: Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran
Post #23TrueReligion wrote:So you mean christians wrote the Quran, and become muslims?Apple Pie wrote:More than likely, Christians, brother...TrueReligion wrote: You are wrong, Mecca was influenced by PAGANS, not Jews, or Christians, and Quran was revealedd there till 13 years.
Later on 10 years in Medina it was revealed. and in Medina, only 2 tribes were there having little christian influence, Aos and Khizraj. rest it was mostly with Jews, and no church was there at that time.
Read again this.,it has all the references of christian scholars, not muslim historians that you may doubt.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... bible.html
And also it nulify your statement, that if Jews and christians were only literate, so who wrote the Quran? and who copied it from bible?:)
You fall in your own trap Apple-Pie
If you mean this, thn u r wrong again, because christians were not there in Meccca at the time of advent of Islam:)
Muslims at the time (and many still today) are illiterate.
They simply did not have the skill set required to read and write.
Further, since the kroanic message is a Christian one, then it does not require much effort to connect the dots that Christians penned the text.
Muslims have grossly mis-interpreted the original text and it has morphed into what we now refer to as islam.
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Post #24So you means muslims are illetrate today?:) thn who wrote the Quran? they found writen by some christians,?Apple Pie wrote:TrueReligion wrote:So you mean christians wrote the Quran, and become muslims?Apple Pie wrote:More than likely, Christians, brother...TrueReligion wrote: You are wrong, Mecca was influenced by PAGANS, not Jews, or Christians, and Quran was revealedd there till 13 years.
Later on 10 years in Medina it was revealed. and in Medina, only 2 tribes were there having little christian influence, Aos and Khizraj. rest it was mostly with Jews, and no church was there at that time.
Read again this.,it has all the references of christian scholars, not muslim historians that you may doubt.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... bible.html
And also it nulify your statement, that if Jews and christians were only literate, so who wrote the Quran? and who copied it from bible?:)
You fall in your own trap Apple-Pie
If you mean this, thn u r wrong again, because christians were not there in Meccca at the time of advent of Islam:)
Muslims at the time (and many still today) are illiterate.
They simply did not have the skill set required to read and write.
Further, since the kroanic message is a Christian one, then it does not require much effort to connect the dots that Christians penned the text.
Muslims have grossly mis-interpreted the original text and it has morphed into what we now refer to as islam.
and how muslims learn the Quran? as you said they aree illetrate right? how come they write the Quran?
I dont know what you r talking abbout, its totaly confusing and out of context., totaly illogical arguments you have provided.
Now please provide your evidence, that muslims are illetrate, and Quran is a message of christians,
You are promoting christianity here, and making others false without providing any reliable source, which is not aceptable, andd against the rules of post.
So alll of your statements are null, and not valaid at alll
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Post #25No one named "Muhammad" wrote the Koran, according to the Koran itself, brother...TrueReligion wrote: So you means muslims are illetrate today?:) thn who wrote the Quran? they found writen by some christians,?
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Post #26you mean Muhammad wrote the Quran? or Muhammadd didnt wrote the Quran? your statement is not clearApple Pie wrote:No one named "Muhammad" wrote the Koran, according to the Koran itself, brother...TrueReligion wrote: So you means muslims are illetrate today?:) thn who wrote the Quran? they found writen by some christians,?
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Post #27Let's make it clearer for you...TrueReligion wrote:you mean Muhammad wrote the Quran? or Muhammadd didnt wrote the Quran? your statement is not clearApple Pie wrote:No one named "Muhammad" wrote the Koran, according to the Koran itself, brother...TrueReligion wrote: So you means muslims are illetrate today?:) thn who wrote the Quran? they found writen by some christians,?
Where is anything like the following statement recorded in the Koran:
I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel
Or
I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired
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Post #28No Muslim have this childish faith as christians, that Muhammad wrote the Quran, Quran was revealed on Muhammad, are you so dumb to understand this?Apple Pie wrote:Let's make it clearer for you...TrueReligion wrote:you mean Muhammad wrote the Quran? or Muhammadd didnt wrote the Quran? your statement is not clearApple Pie wrote:No one named "Muhammad" wrote the Koran, according to the Koran itself, brother...TrueReligion wrote: So you means muslims are illetrate today?:) thn who wrote the Quran? they found writen by some christians,?
Where is anything like the following statement recorded in the Koran:
I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel
Or
I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired
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Post #29Then show us the ayah which states that the Koran was revealed "on Muhammad".TrueReligion wrote:No Muslim have this childish faith as christians, that Muhammad wrote the Quran, Quran was revealed on Muhammad, are you so dumb to understand this?Apple Pie wrote:Let's make it clearer for you...TrueReligion wrote:you mean Muhammad wrote the Quran? or Muhammadd didnt wrote the Quran? your statement is not clearApple Pie wrote:No one named "Muhammad" wrote the Koran, according to the Koran itself, brother...TrueReligion wrote: So you means muslims are illetrate today?:) thn who wrote the Quran? they found writen by some christians,?
Where is anything like the following statement recorded in the Koran:
I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel
Or
I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired![]()
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Post #30Who brought the Quran to ppl of Mecca? Christians?Apple Pie wrote:Then show us the ayah which states that the Koran was revealed "on Muhammad".TrueReligion wrote:No Muslim have this childish faith as christians, that Muhammad wrote the Quran, Quran was revealed on Muhammad, are you so dumb to understand this?Apple Pie wrote:Let's make it clearer for you...TrueReligion wrote:you mean Muhammad wrote the Quran? or Muhammadd didnt wrote the Quran? your statement is not clearApple Pie wrote:No one named "Muhammad" wrote the Koran, according to the Koran itself, brother...TrueReligion wrote: So you means muslims are illetrate today?:) thn who wrote the Quran? they found writen by some christians,?
Where is anything like the following statement recorded in the Koran:
I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran
Or
I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel
Or
I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired![]()

