Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[TrueReligion]

Read the topic of that, it says formulation of Milk, it does;nt say source of Milk.

Yes and we knew all of that thousands of years ago

The Arabic word for the moon is qamar and it is described in the Quraan as
muneer, which is a body that gives nur i.e. light. Again, the Quraanic
description matches perfectly with the true nature of the moon, which does
not give off light itself and is an inert body that reflects the light of the sun.

Haha

"The Arabic word for the moon is qamar and it is described in the Quraan as
muneer, which is a body that gives nur i.e. light. Again, the Quraanic
description matches perfectly with the true nature of the moon, which does
not give off light itself and is an inert body that reflects the light of the sun"

So the description 'a body that gives light' matches the moon because the moon is not a body that gives light? Rofl

Fail..

Yeah you fail to understand, the meaniing of word "Muneer" comes from "Nur" which means reflected light.

Consider the following verses related to the nature of light from the sun and the moon:

I will.

"It is He who made the sun To be a shining glory And the
moon to be a light (Of beauty). [Al-Quraan 10:5] "
The moon is not a light


See ye not How Allah has created The seven heavens One above
another, And made the moon A light in their midst, and made the sun
As a (Glorious) Lamp? [Al-Quraan 71:15-16]
The moon is not a light

Done, as you wanted. Anything else I can educate you in?

Ofcourse Moon is not light, Moon is Moon, light is light, both are different, dats wat Quran say dont you know? maybe you are thnking of Bible,. where it gives wrong claims

[Wyvern]

Yeah you fail to understand, the meaniing of word "Muneer" comes from "Nur" which means reflected light.

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

Consider the following verses related to the nature of light from the sun and the moon:

I will.

"It is He who made the sun To be a shining glory And the
moon to be a light (Of beauty). [Al-Quraan 10:5] "
The moon is not a light


See ye not How Allah has created The seven heavens One above
another, And made the moon A light in their midst, and made the sun
As a (Glorious) Lamp? [Al-Quraan 71:15-16]
The moon is not a light

Done, as you wanted. Anything else I can educate you in?[/quote]

Ofcourse Moon is not light, Moon is Moon, light is light, both are different, dats wat Quran say dont you know? maybe you are thnking of Bible,. where it gives wrong claims [/quote]

[TrueReligion]

Yeah you fail to understand, the meaniing of word "Muneer" comes from "Nur" which means reflected light.

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

Yeah, so wats wrong in this? dont you call moon-light in english as well? does that mean that moon has its own light?

[Wyvern]

Yeah you fail to understand, the meaniing of word "Muneer" comes from "Nur" which means reflected light.

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

Yeah, so wats wrong in this? dont you call moon-light in english as well? does that mean that moon has its own light?

[TrueReligion]

Yeah you fail to understand, the meaniing of word "Muneer" comes from "Nur" which means reflected light.

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

Yeah, so wats wrong in this? dont you call moon-light in english as well? does that mean that moon has its own light?

Told you Wyvern, you have to read the full article, and arabic as well.

Let me explain you in simple words. The word used in Quran is Munir.

Munir, Muneer->Brilliant, shining ->

http://www.2muslims.com/cgi-bin/diction ... rch=muneer

So ofcourse shining does;nt mean that its giving its own light, we say your shoes are shining, does your shoes give their own light?

[Wyvern]

Yeah you fail to understand, the meaniing of "Nur" which means reflected light.

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

Told you Wyvern, you have to read the full article, and arabic as well.

Let me explain you in simple words. The word used in Quran is Munir.

Munir, Muneer->Brilliant, shining ->

http://www.2muslims.com/cgi-bin/diction ... rch=muneer

So ofcourse shining does;nt mean that its giving its own light, we say your shoes are shining, does your shoes give their own light?

]"Nur" which means reflected light. [/b]

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

[Wyvern]

Told you Wyvern, you have to read the full article, and arabic as well.

Let me explain you in simple words. The word used in Quran is Munir.

Munir, Muneer->Brilliant, shining ->

http://www.2muslims.com/cgi-bin/diction ... rch=muneer

So ofcourse shining does;nt mean that its giving its own light, we say your shoes are shining, does your shoes give their own light?

In Surah 25:61, the Quran intimates that the moon gives its own light. In this verse, the word muneer is used to describe the light of the moon. The phrase used here in the Arabic is feeha sirajan waqamaran muneeran. It appears as the bold portion of the verse, Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light. In this verse, the sun is referred to as the siraj, a word meaning a bright lamp or light. However, muneer is an adjective which describes the light produced by an object, and is applied to both the sun (siraj) and the moon. Four times in the Quran, the word muneer is used to describe the light of illumination or enlightenment provided by the Quran itself (in a figurative sense, of course), in Suwar 3:184; 22:8, 31:20, and 35:25. Would Muslims suggest that the Quran reflects the enlightenment from another, or rather that it is the source of enlightenment? The latter, of course. Further, in Surah 33:46, the enlightenment which Mohammed was said to bring is described as wasirajan muneeran, thus demonstrating that muneer is an adjective describing what a siraj produces. Thus, the muneer of the moon, from the way these words are used elsewhere in the Quran as well as the reading of this specific ayah, is seen to originate from the moon itself, an obvious scientific error.
Al-Tabari seems to support this view of the sun and moon when he wrote,


"He said: When the Messenger of God was asked about that, he replied: When God was done with His creation and only Adam remained to be created, He created two suns from the light of His throne. His foreknowledge told Him that He would leave here one sun, so He created is as (large as) this world is from east to west. His foreknowledge also told Him that He would efface it and change it to a moon; so the moon is smaller in size than the sun. But both are seen as small because of the sun's altitude and remoteness from the earth....The Lord was too concerned with His servants and too merciful to them (to do such a thing). He thus sent Gabriel to drag his wing three times over the face of the moon, which at the time was a sun. He effaced its luminosity and left the light in it. This is (meant by) God's Word, 'And We have made the night and the day two signs. We have blotted out the sign of the night, and We have made the sign of the day something to see by.' [17:12] He continued. The blackness you can see as lines on the moon is a trace of the blotting."53
This commentator's understanding of the Qur'an was that the sun and the moon were both created as bodies giving light. The moon was "effaced", or darkened, but all the same, He "left the light in it". Clearly, the idea that the moon produces its own light is presented in the traditional Muslim writings. While this is taught in the Qur'an and supported by traditional commentary, it is contrary to what we actually know to be the case.

[TrueReligion]

Yeah you fail to understand, the meaniing of "Nur" which means reflected light.

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

Told you Wyvern, you have to read the full article, and arabic as well.

Let me explain you in simple words. The word used in Quran is Munir.

Munir, Muneer->Brilliant, shining ->

http://www.2muslims.com/cgi-bin/diction ... rch=muneer

So ofcourse shining does;nt mean that its giving its own light, we say your shoes are shining, does your shoes give their own light?

]"Nur" which means reflected light. [/b]

Nur (an-Nr)
(Language: Arabic)
Alternate Spellings:
Short Description: Light.
Long Description: Particularly the uncreated Divine Light, which includes all manifestation and is identified with Existence, considered as a principle. God is the Light (Nr) of the heavens and the earth (Qurn 24:35).
Example(s):
Source(s): Introduction to Sufi Doctrine (by Titus Burckhardt)

Yeah I read this definition, nothing wrong in this, no need to paste again, it means reflected light, which moon gives as well. so Quran is correct again

[TrueReligion]

Told you Wyvern, you have to read the full article, and arabic as well.

Let me explain you in simple words. The word used in Quran is Munir.

Munir, Muneer->Brilliant, shining ->

http://www.2muslims.com/cgi-bin/diction ... rch=muneer

So ofcourse shining does;nt mean that its giving its own light, we say your shoes are shining, does your shoes give their own light?

In Surah 25:61, the Quran intimates that the moon gives its own light. In this verse, the word muneer is used to describe the light of the moon. The phrase used here in the Arabic is feeha sirajan waqamaran muneeran. It appears as the bold portion of the verse, Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light. In this verse, the sun is referred to as the siraj, a word meaning a bright lamp or light. However, muneer is an adjective which describes the light produced by an object, and is applied to both the sun (siraj) and the moon. Four times in the Quran, the word muneer is used to describe the light of illumination or enlightenment provided by the Quran itself (in a figurative sense, of course), in Suwar 3:184; 22:8, 31:20, and 35:25. Would Muslims suggest that the Quran reflects the enlightenment from another, or rather that it is the source of enlightenment? The latter, of course. Further, in Surah 33:46, the enlightenment which Mohammed was said to bring is described as wasirajan muneeran, thus demonstrating that muneer is an adjective describing what a siraj produces. Thus, the muneer of the moon, from the way these words are used elsewhere in the Quran as well as the reading of this specific ayah, is seen to originate from the moon itself, an obvious scientific error.
Al-Tabari seems to support this view of the sun and moon when he wrote,


"He said: When the Messenger of God was asked about that, he replied: When God was done with His creation and only Adam remained to be created, He created two suns from the light of His throne. His foreknowledge told Him that He would leave here one sun, so He created is as (large as) this world is from east to west. His foreknowledge also told Him that He would efface it and change it to a moon; so the moon is smaller in size than the sun. But both are seen as small because of the sun's altitude and remoteness from the earth....The Lord was too concerned with His servants and too merciful to them (to do such a thing). He thus sent Gabriel to drag his wing three times over the face of the moon, which at the time was a sun. He effaced its luminosity and left the light in it. This is (meant by) God's Word, 'And We have made the night and the day two signs. We have blotted out the sign of the night, and We have made the sign of the day something to see by.' [17:12] He continued. The blackness you can see as lines on the moon is a trace of the blotting."53
This commentator's understanding of the Qur'an was that the sun and the moon were both created as bodies giving light. The moon was "effaced", or darkened, but all the same, He "left the light in it". Clearly, the idea that the moon produces its own light is presented in the traditional Muslim writings. While this is taught in the Qur'an and supported by traditional commentary, it is contrary to what we actually know to be the case.

Think realy you need to learn arabic as well as English.
The definition of word "Munir" is given to you,which means shining, shine means something which gives light upon reflection. So its very clear what Quran is saying, that Munir means reflected light, which Moon is giving.

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www.tanzil.info.

Even if you have any clarification, please feel free to contact me, will make things easier....

Thanks

[TrueReligion]

THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER

One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:

He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through. (Qur'an, 55:19-20)

This property of the seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force called "surface tension," the waters of neighbouring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.60

It is interesting that, during a period when there was little knowledge of physics, and of surface tension, or oceanography, this truth was revealed in the Qur'an.