Did Allah start Christianty?

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:51 pm

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:56 pm

Goat wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
Goat wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
Goat wrote:
HaLi8993 wrote: @ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "LOL! My existence is my existence. I will be dead after I die. Natural selection is fact and all life on earth is the result.Â

Again, sorry to burst your bubble, bub."

ANSWER: He he,well that's a great explanation of the purpose of your existence, yes we know you will be dead after you die, why in your opinion do you believe it is the end, its over, nothing will happen after this???, there is absolutely no proof for natural selection nor is it a fact lol.Â

Actually, natural selection has been observed, and can actually be repeated in laboratory experiments. SO, yes, it is a fact.
Natural selection, if true, doesn't prove God doesn't exist

No, it doesn't. What it DOES do is show that there is principles that operate in nature that shows that a deity is not needed to understand and explain how life changes over time. Does it show that there is no god??? Of course not. Does it show that there is an explanation for the diversity of live on earth that does not depend on the existence of a God?? You betcha.
If that were true that would mean God didn't exist. God set things in motion to run by themselves, but All things are held together by the word of His power
That is your statement of belief. However, do you have empirical evidence for that? You know.. something that can be physically examined , that doesn't beg the question?

It is written that the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:53 am

@Â Goat

QUOTE: "it does not possess the ability as imagined by evolutionists of bestowing new features on life forms and thus creating new species"

ANSWER: Natural Selection does not possess the ability of bestowing new features on life forms and thus creating new species. Nor does it explain how life on earth started and how human existence is a result, God is the Creator, Sustainer, Maintainer and Controller of the heavens and the earth and everything in it.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:14 pm

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: He he,well that's a great explanation of the purpose of your existence, yes we know you will be dead after you die, why in your opinion do you believe it is the end, its over, nothing will happen after this???

I don't believe it is the end of my life, I understand it is.

there is absolutely no proof for natural selection nor is it a fact lol.Â

We already have mountains of evidence for natural selection. Sorry to burst your faith based bubble again.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:15 pm

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Natural Selection does not possess the ability of bestowing new features on life forms and thus creating new species. Nor does it explain how life on earth started and how human existence is a result, God is the Creator, Sustainer, Maintainer and Controller of the heavens and the earth and everything in it.

Islamic propaganda.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:54 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Natural Selection does not possess the ability of bestowing new features on life forms and thus creating new species. Nor does it explain how life on earth started and how human existence is a result, God is the Creator, Sustainer, Maintainer and Controller of the heavens and the earth and everything in it.
Islamic propaganda.

I agree with HaLi on this

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:01 am

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: " IÂ don't believe it is the end of my life, I understand it is"

ANSWER: ok, the what evidence do you have that it is the end?

QUOTE: "We already have mountains of evidence for natural selection. Sorry to burst your faith based bubble again"

ANSWER: Lol, yes Mountains of evidence against it, understood.

QUOTE: "Islamic propaganda"

ANSWER: Here we go.....

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:20 am

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: ok, the what evidence do you have that it is the end?

Biology, chemistry and physics.

And, your evidence it isn't the end? Muhammad?

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:56 pm

@A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "Biology, chemistry and physics.Â

And, your evidence it isn't the end? Muhammad?"

ANSWER: Can you be a bit more specific, what evidence can you present that shows that it is the end once you die?

As Muslims we know it isn't the end as we believe in God, his final revelation and the Message and seal of the final Prophet.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:57 am

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Can you be a bit more specific, what evidence can you present that shows that it is the end once you die?

As Muslims we know it isn't the end as we believe in God, his final revelation and the Message and seal of the final Prophet.

Yes, I know, which is why no amount of evidence from biology, chemistry or physics will ever change Muhammad's words as far as you're concerned.

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:19 pm

Peace be upon you all,

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran.

This is the law of God, if anyone plot against his brother whatever shall be done to his brother should be done to him:

Deuteronomy 19:18-19
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
John 6:70
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

And we BELIEVE that God also saved Jesus from the plotting of Judas.
Matthew 26:24
24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Isn't that a form of substitutionary death?

"substitutionary death" is to believe that Jesus DIED FOR YOUR SIN IN YOUR PLACE as a ransom; to whom?, no one ever answered me about that;

Which is contradict by:
Ezekiel 18:20
20 â€¦the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him;
And there is no country on this Earth where if anyone commits murder, none will be hanged as a substitute;

This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

God did not substitute Bad person by Good person;
Matthew 4:6
6 â€¦for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at ANY TIME thou dash thy foot against a stone.

And according to christians God let Jesus died on the cross;

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context,

Brother do not add anything to the Qur'an, "with deception" these words are not in any translation of the Qu'ran;
You already showed that you don't understand the meaning of anything in context, you do not even read the bible in context;
As far as I know your mother tongue is not Arabic so do not pretend to know more than the translators;

If you did not know that the charges which was brought forth against Jesus was changed:
From "Being the Son of God" to "A King" so they plotted against Jesus, with false testimonies, and God put his law into action;

however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving;

You did not even understood what you've read;

so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity

If God is to be blame for whatever man does;
Then you should blame God for the 6 million Jews that Hitler killed;
For every father that rape their daughter;
And for all the evil deeds of Man;

or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome?

God is all knowing, you should do some research on statistics then you'll come to know what is actually happening in the world;

For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

Look at statistics and find out how many are leaving Christianity because of the loopholes, contradictions and false dogma;

Peace be upon you.