Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[Wyvern]

The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them.� [Al-Qur’aan 21:31]

Clearly you don't live in an earthquake zone. I live close to the geologic middle of the north american continent, there isn't a mountain within a thousand miles of where I live and yet we do not have earthquakes. On the other hand take Los Angeles as an example, they have small mountains within the metropolitan limits and a major mountain range only a few hundred miles away and yet earthquakes are a relatively common occurance. Another example on the other hand are the Appalachian chain in the eastern U.S. Here we have an old and heavily worn moutain range that has shown nearly no tectonic activity over the last four hundred years. It is obvious that the presence of mountains has no relation as to whether earthquakes occur or not if anything the opposite is true in that the lack of mountains gives you a lower chance of having earthquakes.

Where in the whole article its writen preventing earth-quake? can you point me in the article where its mention please that mountains prevent earth-quake?

The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them.� [Al-Qur’aan 21:31]

[Wyvern]

These are not charges, these are only statements, I showed you what charges means, but til now you havent shown anything.
What Dar-Ul-Itfa is saying, are personal opinion, because of professional jealousy, charges are not shown anywhere. So sorry, it can;t be accepted Wyvern

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of Imam Hussain, a prominent figure in Shia Islam. [29] Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

Since you seem to be having problems with your eyesight I bolded the charges made in the fatwa.

[TrueReligion]

BARRIER BETWEEN SWEET AND SALT WATERS

The writers of the Qur'an observed that

1. There are bodies of water on earth with different degrees of salinity.
2. There are places with no visible barriers where the less salty waters meet the more salty waters.
3. They concluded, somewhat reasonably, that there must be some kind of barrier preventing the salt from contaminating the sweet bodies of water.

[sarcasm]I am totally in awe. How could they have know that? Amazing![/sarcasm]

And may we know who are the writers of Quran stating this?Muhammad (pbuh) was illetrate, right?

[TrueReligion]

The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them.� [Al-Qur’aan 21:31]

Clearly you don't live in an earthquake zone. I live close to the geologic middle of the north american continent, there isn't a mountain within a thousand miles of where I live and yet we do not have earthquakes. On the other hand take Los Angeles as an example, they have small mountains within the metropolitan limits and a major mountain range only a few hundred miles away and yet earthquakes are a relatively common occurance. Another example on the other hand are the Appalachian chain in the eastern U.S. Here we have an old and heavily worn moutain range that has shown nearly no tectonic activity over the last four hundred years. It is obvious that the presence of mountains has no relation as to whether earthquakes occur or not if anything the opposite is true in that the lack of mountains gives you a lower chance of having earthquakes.

Where in the whole article its writen preventing earth-quake? can you point me in the article where its mention please that mountains prevent earth-quake?

The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them.� [Al-Qur’aan 21:31]

I would suggeste you reading thw following article, as I can;t paste it here, and we shall discuss for sure if you find any difficulty.

http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_boo ... ntains.pdf

[TrueReligion]

These are not charges, these are only statements, I showed you what charges means, but til now you havent shown anything.
What Dar-Ul-Itfa is saying, are personal opinion, because of professional jealousy, charges are not shown anywhere. So sorry, it can;t be accepted Wyvern

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of Imam Hussain, a prominent figure in Shia Islam. [29] Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

Since you seem to be having problems with your eyesight I bolded the charges made in the fatwa.

I said these are statements, where are the words of Zakir Naik saying these things? till now you are not providing any charge and what Zakir Naik said?
I can say that you support Zionist, and IRA, so would you believe? ofcourse I have to show your statements saying supportive words and funding them as well.
So can you prove something like this ?

[Wyvern]

These are not charges, these are only statements, I showed you what charges means, but til now you havent shown anything.
What Dar-Ul-Itfa is saying, are personal opinion, because of professional jealousy, charges are not shown anywhere. So sorry, it can;t be accepted Wyvern

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of Imam Hussain, a prominent figure in Shia Islam. [29] Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

Since you seem to be having problems with your eyesight I bolded the charges made in the fatwa.

I said these are statements, where are the words of Zakir Naik saying these things? till now you are not providing any charge and what Zakir Naik said?
I can say that you support Zionist, and IRA, so would you believe? ofcourse I have to show your statements saying supportive words and funding them as well.
So can you prove something like this ?

First you say you want to see the charges, which I provide. Now after seeing the charges you say you want to see something else entirely different. Why would Naik bring charges up against himself which is what you are leading to. He has been charged with fomenting hatred among muslims by glorifying Yazeed by muslim authorities in the area where it happened. I have shown you the charges brought against him in the fatwa if you don't want to believe them that is your problem but it is true all the same.

[Wyvern]

The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them.� [Al-Qur’aan 21:31]

I would suggeste you reading thw following article, as I can;t paste it here, and we shall discuss for sure if you find any difficulty.

It would appear as if you are still having difficulties with your eyesight.

The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking.

How can you misinterpret what this says? This is from your source, an earthquake is when the earth shakes and if you have ever experienced one you know that is exactly what happens during an earthquake.

[TrueReligion]

These are not charges, these are only statements, I showed you what charges means, but til now you havent shown anything.
What Dar-Ul-Itfa is saying, are personal opinion, because of professional jealousy, charges are not shown anywhere. So sorry, it can;t be accepted Wyvern

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of Imam Hussain, a prominent figure in Shia Islam. [29] Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

Since you seem to be having problems with your eyesight I bolded the charges made in the fatwa.

I said these are statements, where are the words of Zakir Naik saying these things? till now you are not providing any charge and what Zakir Naik said?
I can say that you support Zionist, and IRA, so would you believe? ofcourse I have to show your statements saying supportive words and funding them as well.
So can you prove something like this ?

First you say you want to see the charges, which I provide. Now after seeing the charges you say you want to see something else entirely different. Why would Naik bring charges up against himself which is what you are leading to. He has been charged with fomenting hatred among muslims by glorifying Yazeed by muslim authorities in the area where it happened. I have shown you the charges brought against him in the fatwa if you don't want to believe them that is your problem but it is true all the same.

Talk something relevant please, You showed your charges, but wat is the base and proof of these charges? I can put charges on you, that you support Al-Qaeda, and bring hatred between muslims and non-muslims. would you agree?

[Wyvern]

Talk something relevant please, You showed your charges, but wat is the base and proof of these charges? I can put charges on you, that you support Al-Qaeda, and bring hatred between muslims and non-muslims. would you agree?

I have provided the original fatwa which was in hindi which you said you did not understand, I showed you an english paraphrase of the charges. If you still do not want to accept that a fatwa has been made against Naik then you will have to bring it up with the muslim authorities that originally laid the charges. I am not the one that made the charges. Yes you could make any charge you want but since you are just an individual it would need to be investigeted before anyone would take it seriously, on the other hand these charges have already been investigated by muslim authorities in India and deemed serious enough that a fatwa was declared against Naik.

[TrueReligion]

Talk something relevant please, You showed your charges, but wat is the base and proof of these charges? I can put charges on you, that you support Al-Qaeda, and bring hatred between muslims and non-muslims. would you agree?

I have provided the original fatwa which was in hindi which you said you did not understand, I showed you an english paraphrase of the charges. If you still do not want to accept that a fatwa has been made against Naik then you will have to bring it up with the muslim authorities that originally laid the charges. I am not the one that made the charges. Yes you could make any charge you want but since you are just an individual it would need to be investigeted before anyone would take it seriously, on the other hand these charges have already been investigated by muslim authorities in India and deemed serious enough that a fatwa was declared against Naik.

Ofcourse these charges are not right, what proof you have for these charges?do you have statement of Zakir Naik where he say that he support Al-Qaeda,? if you can;t bring anything., means these charges are fake, and can;t be taken for sure, go to any court in the world, until you give proof, no court will accept your statement and charges.
Its very simple rule my friend.