How to know that you are really saved(born again)!

[GISMYS]

How can we know we are really saved? Because God’s Word tells us, and God cannot lie. If you have put your personal faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, the Bible says God has made you a member of His family. ‘God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He that hath the Son hath life … These things I have written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life’ (1 John 5:11-13). ‘God said it—I believe it—that settles it!’ Romans 10:9-13==if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be [h]disappointed.� 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.�

[Divine Insight]

Was there a question here, or are you just preaching?

I have a question for you. What is it that you feel that you need to be saved from? I never felt that there is any sick demented jealous God who is out to condemn me in the first place. So I see no need to be saved from him. The only people who need to be saved are those who have already been convinced that a hateful boogeyman God is out to condemn them in the first place.

If a person isn't suffering from paranoia in the first place, then there's really no reason that they need to worry themselves sick over whether or not they have been saved by some evil boogeyman monster God.

If your child is afraid of the boogeyman do you encourage them that they need to be saved from the boogeyman? Hopefully not. Instead you should help them to realized that there is no boogeyman in the first place.

Going around encouraging people to be paranoid about an imaginary boogeyman God does no one any good. Join the rational people who have cured themselves of paranoia by dismissing boogeyman Gods.

The world will be a far better place once we have put the boogeyman Gods behind us.

[GISMYS]

[Replying to Divine Insight]

The wages of sin is death and eternal lake of fire. Hell was created for satan and demons and all evil as there is no place in eternity but the lake of fire for all evil. God is love and it is His will that no one perish. Jesus gave His blood and life on that Roman cross to pay mankind's sin debt and to buy us a pardon BUT we are free to reject God and God's love,mercy,forgivness and pay our own sin debt =hell! ALL OUR CHOICE!

[Divine Insight]

The wages of sin is death and eternal lake of fire.

Who told you that? And why did you believe them?

Jesus gave His blood and life on that Roman cross to pay mankind's sin debt and to buy us a pardon.

But this doesn't fit with what you had been told above. Wasn't Jesus raised from the dead a mere three days later? And didn't he ultimately go to heaven to receive the gift of eternal life?

That's not death.

Whoever told you these things can't even keep their own story straight. Why you believe their nonsense is anyone's guess.

Jesus could not have paid the debt of sin for anyone since he himself received the reward of saints in this fairytale.

These fairytales were very poorly written. Of course they weren't written with intent, they simply evolved from extremely simple-minded superstitions. So it's understandable why they make no sense.

~~~~~

Besides, think about this. Not only are you required to believe in a boogeyman God, but they even have you believing in a boogeyman named Satan too. They have you totally paranoid of two boogeymen along with a bunch of imaginary demons who work for these boogeymen.

Finally, you do realize that if you condone having Jesus crucified on your behalf you are condoning penal substitution on your behalf. How immoral is that?

Imagine if no one would condone that? Then this God would look pretty foolish for having invented his hideous plan. The only saving grace for God are the existence of people who are immoral enough to go along with his immoral plans.

I reject this whole fairytale along with many other highly moral and rational people. If everyone were like me this whole penal substitution of having Jesus crucified to pay for people's sins would be useless and the God character in this fairytale would finally be exposed as being the immoral idiot that he is.

These immoral fairytales were written by immoral barbaric male-chauvinistic men who were quick to use scapegoating rather than take responsibility for their own actions.

I personally think it's truly sad that anyone believes that these immoral male-chauvinistic men speak for God. You must have a truly low opinion of God to accept these accusations against God.

To accept that the Bible is the "Word of God" is to insult any God that might actually exist.

I don't understand why you are so determined to insult God?

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

How can we know we are really saved? Because God’s Word tells us, and God cannot lie.

"I swear I'm telling the truth, 'cause here it is, I'm a-swearin' I am" seems a compelling argument for some.

That said, such a condition doesn't seem bound to those who claim to know his wants and wishes.

If you have put your personal faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, the Bible says God has made you a member of His family.
...

It says a lot of things. Showing such to be truth is the hard part.

But as sermons go, I reckon you did ya a good'n.

[GISMYS]

[Replying to post 5 by JoeyKnothead]

Almighty God is God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit= the one true GOD. Jesus is from eternity the Son of God=God the Son and His blood and death on that Roman cross was given as payment for all mankind's sin debt! PTL. You to can become a believer it is ALL your choice!!! ---- if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.� The same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.�

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 6 by GISMYS]

All you've been doing is regurgitating ancient rumors and myths from an immoral barbaric culture. But there's no reason to believe those myths are true.

Besides, these myths claim that you need to be saved by the same God who is supposedly out to damn you.

You said yourself that these myths claim that the wages of sin are death.

Do you believe that's fair and righteous?

Do you consider yourself to be a sinner and righteously deserving of death?

If so, then shouldn't this God condemn you do death since that's the righteous thing to do?

You claim that Jesus paid for your sins thus freeing you from your deserved righteous damnation.

But that wouldn't be righteous, now would it? On the contrary that would be a spit in the face of the original God and his decree of righteousness.

So the whole thing is rather silly don't you think?

You said yourself, it's your choice to believe this kind of baloney or not.

So why bother believing in a religion that has you in hot water with a God who can't make up his might whether it's more righteous to damn you or to give you undeserved amnesty?

It's a God who apparently can't stick to his guns in any case. A God who is totally untrustworthy and is also so inept that he allows some petty fallen angel to make him and his creation jump through hoops.

There are far better God myths available to chose from. If you truly want a loving intelligent God then just chose a loving intelligent religion. It's easy.

Why chose a religion that has demonized both you and God? That makes no sense.

[GISMYS]

[Replying to post 7 by Divine Insight]

YES!! There are many that will not wise up to truth until they feel the flames. Jesus can and did and could pay man's sin debt because Jesus IS God=God the Son.

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 7 by Divine Insight]

YES!! There are many that will not wise up to truth until they feel the flames. Jesus can and did and could pay man's sin debt because Jesus IS God=God the Son.

It doesn't matter whether Jesus "could" have paid for man's sins, there are still two problems with this fairytale thus proving that it is not the truth of any God.

The first problem is that if the wages of sin are death, then Jesus didn't pay the wages for sin whether he was God or not. Jesus got the very reward that every Christian dreams and hopes for. Eternal life in paradise. Therefore whether he had the authority to pay for sins or not, he still didn't do it. If his temporary death was the payment, then the check bounced when he was resurrected and taken up into heaven to be given eternal life.

So even if Jesus was God his check would have bounced in a mere 3 days.

The second problem is that if it is actually righteous to condemn people to death for their sins, and that people are indeed guilty of sins and therefore righteously deserving of damnation, then for God to offer amnesty to these sinners who righteously deserve damnation would be an unrighteous act on God's behalf. Because he would be letting people off who deserve to be damned.

So even if this God had actually paid the supposed wages of sin for these people this itself would have been a whole unrighteous act on the part of God. The only way it could be justified is if you were to claim that the original proclamation that the wages of sin is death was fundamentally flawed and immoral to begin with.

So there is no way to even salvage this horrific fairytale even if a person wanted to. Why a person would even want to is beyond me other than perhaps they feel that the original decree was already unrealistic and immoral to begin with. Otherwise, if they truly believe that setting the wages of sin as death is respectable, then they should just accept that situation to begin with an quit pretending that a supposedly unchanging God had later changed his mind.

Finally there are tons of blatantly absurd superstitions in these fables that give them away as being extremely poorly made up superstitious rumors.

For example, when Jesus was raised from the dead he was raise in the flesh. Not only was he raised in the flesh but he was even resurrected complete with all the wounds that had killed him. The story of the Doubting Thomas who had to stick his fingers into Jesus' wounds before he would believe makes this clear.

So here we have a God who can supposedly resurrect human bodies, but doesn't even bother to heal them when he does this. That's pretty silly right there don't you think? What if Jesus would have been beheaded? Would he then be carrying his detached head around in his hands? Obviously the idea of a God who resurrects physical bodies in precisely the same condition they were in when the person died is rather silly.

Moreover, heaven is supposed to be a spiritual and non-physical place where there is no need for flesh and bones. Yet in these fables Jesus takes his flesh and bone body up to heaven with him. That's a dead give-a-way right there that these silly superstitions are nothing more than this.

You suggest that people need to "wise up" and see the truth. But in truth these ancient superstitious fables are clearly nothing but silly superstitions that can't possibly be true. If you want to speak of true wisdom you first need to recognize how silly these stories truly are.

Only then can we begin to talk about wisdom.

[GISMYS]

[Replying to post 9 by Divine Insight]

Bottomline= ALMIGHTY GOD makes the rules NOT little sin loving man. Beware!!! Non one has ot ever will win trying to argue and fight against ALMIGHTY GOD!!! THINK!