Be a Xian, support GAY MARRIAGE

[Xian Pugilist]

being a poor Xian.

Understand this:

The GLBT,TG,TS,Q, henceforth named the alphabet community (with no malice), isn't asking for approval of their lifestyle. They are asking for equal rights, for equal commitment.

They are not asking for God's approval, and it's not your/our job to give them God's approval.

They are not asking to be church sanctioned.

It is a legal issues.

There is a history of a gay partner being denied the same rights of a straight couple. This isn't a church issue, it's a legal issue.

To fight against gay marriage is to target the alphabet community to specifically deny them rights of equality. And to do that is not Agapao.

MARRIAGE as a word in english has only existed 1200 years or so. Before that, the most often used word was in Latin, the language of the Church of Rome. WHY? Because the Church over saw the marriages. NOT for religious reasons, but in a hamlet, with non noble blood, but with families and dowagers and the like it was a legal contract. The Church could read and write, and thus record the contract. That is the only reason the Church was involved.

Before the Church existed, people who were not jews were in marriages blessed by God. The topic isn't one owned by the faith. It existed before the faith noted it.

We should not deny them equal rights.
The term is not owned by the Church.

Jesus commands would insist you supported them.
Matthew 5:43-48, everyone loves those that love them, but God loves His enemies, and even provides necessities of life for those enemies, so love as surely as God loves, I.O.W. love your/His enemies. Love requires a demonstration, action, a providence or it's not the Love Jesus names.

Fighting Gay marriage is the antithesis to supporting them for their needs. There fore it's Anti Christ.

They are an abomination.... except there are dozens of abominations in the Bible, and those aren't denied marriage rights, so that would make that a bigotted position, isolated against only ONE of those abominations.

They are sinners, all sorts of sinners are married in the Church every day, much less just to legally be recognized a couple which has nothing to do with the church.

Paul said it's not his job to judge those outside the church, that is God's job. He repeatedly told his churches to feed the poor, take care of the widows, etc... Sometimes they were in the church, sometimes not. The early church was noted for caring for even those not of their faith.

You aren't caring for, you are harrassing, you aren't loving, you are condemning, you aren't agapaoing, you are hating, you aren't showing God's love, you make Him into a fascist, when you fight against God's marriage.

Last argument, Jesus told the soldier to be a good soldier, even though that was a detested, and unGodly job. Same thing with the tax collector. They worked for the govt, and Jesus did not condemn them, but said do your job.

Your elected officials have a job to do, take care of the people, not just God's people. Paul said the govt is GOD APPOINTED, so let them do their God appointed job, and stop harrasing them and the alphabet community. Support their need/right for equal rights, stop the bigotry.

[kayky]

Underrstand this. Homosexuality is an abomination unto God. We live under a representative Government and as long as my government represents me, I will vote against any law that legitimizes any behaviour which is an abomination unto God.

Civil rights are not a matter of popular vote. That's why we have a constitution: to protect the minority from the majority.

As for equal rights, they have equal rights. But renaming sodomy as marriage is not a right. It is a lie. And I don't believe that changing the law to legitimize a lie is right.

How can you claim that gay people have the same rights as straight people when straights can marry the ones they love and gays can not?

If you think you are a good Christian by supporting homosexual sin, show me from Scripture. Otherwise admit that you are simply caving in to the immoral culture which surrounds us. For there is nothing in Scripture which supports that abomination.

This is totally irrelevant. Gay marriage is not a religious issue. The Bible demanded that slaves obey their masters, but Lincoln freed them anyway. Was he wrong?

[Xian Pugilist]

Who are you addressing, and what is the point? Please?

You basically just entered a conversation on a topic, then proclaimed the topic is a stupid one and asked to change it. That's pretty rude.

being a poor Xian.

Understand this:

The GLBT,TG,TS,Q, henceforth named the alphabet community (with no malice), isn't asking for approval of their lifestyle. They are asking for equal rights, for equal commitment.

They are not asking for God's approval, and it's not your/our job to give them God's approval. ....

Your elected officials have a job to do, take care of the people, not just God's people. Paul said the govt is GOD APPOINTED, so let them do their God appointed job, and stop harrasing them and the alphabet community. Support their need/right for equal rights, stop the bigotry.

Understand this. Homosexuality is an abomination unto God. We live under a representative Government and as long as my government represents me, I will vote against any law that legitimizes any behaviour which is an abomination unto God.

As for equal rights, they have equal rights. But renaming sodomy as marriage is not a right. It is a lie. And I don't believe that changing the law to legitimize a lie is right.

If you think you are a good Christian by supporting homosexual sin, show me from Scripture. Otherwise admit that you are simply caving in to the immoral culture which surrounds us. For there is nothing in Scripture which supports that abomination.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Your position will seem credible when you document your pious indignation over the eating of bacon, lending money while (gasp!) charging interest, and the similar abomination of having sex with a woman during her period......

I'm sorry you see it that way. I was referring to De Marias angst over the horrible 'abomination' of homosexuality while having nothing to say about the equal abominations of eating 'unclean' foods, etc.

I believe you and I are in agreement on that point?

yup, we agree. I'm not accustomed to that being the lightening rod I am. And for the life of me I was misapplying your comment rendering it confusing as heck, if my application was right. That's like 3x today I've screwed something up like that....

[McCulloch]

Understand this. Homosexuality is an abomination unto God.

Therefore those who believe in that God may prohibit homosexual acts.

We live under a representative Government and as long as my government represents me, I will vote against any law that legitimizes any behaviour which is an abomination unto God.

Like idolatry? Are you lobbying Congress to pass laws prohibiting idolatry?

As for equal rights, they have equal rights.

Not if they do not have the right to marry the person they freely love and loves them.

[Moses Yoder]

I have the right to oppose and protest same sex marriage. That right is given to me by the constitution. I don't need a reason for doing so. You also have the right to try to force me to agree with your viewpoint, much the same as the Fuller Brush Man.

I am not sure why same sex marriage is such a big issue on these boards. There must be a lot of homosexuals posting here who feel their rights are being violated. At any rate, sooner or later we will allow same sex marriage, the same as we allowed the lotteries, and the schools are so much better off now with all that lottery money.

Just for the record, I also oppose pedophilia. If the government introduced a bill to legalize it my congressmen would be getting a short and very poignant letter.

[Xian Pugilist]

I have the right to oppose and protest same sex marriage. That right is given to me by the constitution.

You have a COMMAND to love and provide for them, that is written by Matthew as quoting some dude named Joshua (his house hold name from mamma), who is the foundation of your faith.

I don't need a reason for doing so. You also have the right to try to force me to agree with your viewpoint, much the same as the Fuller Brush Man.

Do you have an obligation to hold those in your faith accountable? If so, I'm doing a godly thing saying you are backwards. Do you have a right to impose your faith/judgement on others? Paul said he couldn't judge those outside the church. Yet, both points are ignored, to impose our will on the alphabet community. It's wrong. Anyway you slice it, the Church's behavior is wrong. You have a right to go commit murder, you just lose your rights the moment you do it. So, why not commit murder, you have the right.

I am not sure why same sex marriage is such a big issue on these boards. There must be a lot of homosexuals posting here who feel their rights are being violated.

Is that insinuating I'm homosexual?

I post thoughts on the topic for the simple reason the Church is eat up with bigotry, and their witness imposes on my person and interferes with my relationships with those outside the Church. Also for the same rason Paul spoke out against the Circumcision group.

At any rate, sooner or later we will allow same sex marriage, the same as we allowed the lotteries, and the schools are so much better off now with all that lottery money.

Yes we should still be lynching black men with white girlfriends too. All those changes are evil and wrong.

Just for the record, I also oppose pedophilia. If the government introduced a bill to legalize it my congressmen would be getting a short and very poignant letter.

BULLY for him.

[His Name Is John]

As for equal rights, they have equal rights. But renaming sodomy as marriage is not a right. It is a lie. And I don't believe that changing the law to legitimize a lie is right.

How can you claim that gay people have the same rights as straight people when straights can marry the ones they love and gays can not?

I'm sorry?

The law isn't that you can marry the ones you want. It never has been.

If I loved my sister I couldn't marry her.
If I loved my mother I couldn't marry her.
If I loved a little new born girl I couldn't marry her.
If I loved someone who was already married I couldn't marry her.
If I loved someone of the same gender as me I couldn't marry them.

So you see, the law was never simply about 'love'. Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals about who you can, and can't marry. To claim otherwise would open up a totally different can of worms.

[connermt]

being a poor Xian.

Understand this:

The GLBT,TG,TS,Q, henceforth named the alphabet community (with no malice), isn't asking for approval of their lifestyle. They are asking for equal rights, for equal commitment.

They are not asking for God's approval, and it's not your/our job to give them God's approval.

They are not asking to be church sanctioned.

It is a legal issues.

There is a history of a gay partner being denied the same rights of a straight couple. This isn't a church issue, it's a legal issue.

To fight against gay marriage is to target the alphabet community to specifically deny them rights of equality. And to do that is not Agapao.

MARRIAGE as a word in english has only existed 1200 years or so. Before that, the most often used word was in Latin, the language of the Church of Rome. WHY? Because the Church over saw the marriages. NOT for religious reasons, but in a hamlet, with non noble blood, but with families and dowagers and the like it was a legal contract. The Church could read and write, and thus record the contract. That is the only reason the Church was involved.

Before the Church existed, people who were not jews were in marriages blessed by God. The topic isn't one owned by the faith. It existed before the faith noted it.

We should not deny them equal rights.
The term is not owned by the Church.

Jesus commands would insist you supported them.
Matthew 5:43-48, everyone loves those that love them, but God loves His enemies, and even provides necessities of life for those enemies, so love as surely as God loves, I.O.W. love your/His enemies. Love requires a demonstration, action, a providence or it's not the Love Jesus names.

Fighting Gay marriage is the antithesis to supporting them for their needs. There fore it's Anti Christ.

They are an abomination.... except there are dozens of abominations in the Bible, and those aren't denied marriage rights, so that would make that a bigotted position, isolated against only ONE of those abominations.

They are sinners, all sorts of sinners are married in the Church every day, much less just to legally be recognized a couple which has nothing to do with the church.

Paul said it's not his job to judge those outside the church, that is God's job. He repeatedly told his churches to feed the poor, take care of the widows, etc... Sometimes they were in the church, sometimes not. The early church was noted for caring for even those not of their faith.

You aren't caring for, you are harrassing, you aren't loving, you are condemning, you aren't agapaoing, you are hating, you aren't showing God's love, you make Him into a fascist, when you fight against God's marriage.

Last argument, Jesus told the soldier to be a good soldier, even though that was a detested, and unGodly job. Same thing with the tax collector. They worked for the govt, and Jesus did not condemn them, but said do your job.

Your elected officials have a job to do, take care of the people, not just God's people. Paul said the govt is GOD APPOINTED, so let them do their God appointed job, and stop harrasing them and the alphabet community. Support their need/right for equal rights, stop the bigotry.

I agree and would like to add, to those christians that think they must legalize something in order to win souls/keep people from sinning: that doesn't work.
Christians should be more concerned with dealing with people as individuals, not sets or groups of people to be legalized. Being gay does no harm to anyone outside the people in the relationship. Meaning, if Bob and Dan are in a gay relationship and live like normal, every day people, their relationship will have no more (or less) of an inpact on the relationship/lives of Mike and Christina who live down the street.

Christians legalizing something that doesn't dirrectly affect them are, to me, christians with little to no faith who are trying to "get into heaven" by their actions ON other people rather than their own, individual actions. And that, is a sad, sad state of affairs.

[Filthy Tugboat]

being a poor Xian.

Understand this:

The GLBT,TG,TS,Q, henceforth named the alphabet community (with no malice), isn't asking for approval of their lifestyle. They are asking for equal rights, for equal commitment.

They are not asking for God's approval, and it's not your/our job to give them God's approval. ....

Your elected officials have a job to do, take care of the people, not just God's people. Paul said the govt is GOD APPOINTED, so let them do their God appointed job, and stop harrasing them and the alphabet community. Support their need/right for equal rights, stop the bigotry.

Understand this. Homosexuality is an abomination unto God.

According to some. I see no reason to give their opinions on the matter any credibility. It's doubtful that they know more about "God" than me or anybody else. and I certainly don't see any reason for why "God" would consider homosexuality an abomination.

We live under a representative Government and as long as my government represents me, I will vote against any law that legitimizes any behaviour which is an abomination unto God.

Are you suggesting that homosexual behavior is not legitimized in the USA? Is it illegal to be a homosexual or to engage in a homosexual relationship? No? Then why would you think that homosexuality is not legitimate in the USA? Why does the U.S Governments recognition of homosexual relationships be any more of "an abomination unto God" than their acceptance of those relationships? Why would the government treating homosexual relationships the same way they treat other consentual relationships?

As for equal rights, they have equal rights. But renaming sodomy a marriage is not a right. It is a lie. And I don't believe that changing the law to legitimize a lie is right.

Do you know what sodomy is? A homosexual may engage in the act of sodomy but to suggest that their relationship is sodomy, married or not, is a complete misunderstanding of the word and/or of the term marriage.

[Filthy Tugboat]

being a poor Xian.

Understand this:

The GLBT,TG,TS,Q, henceforth named the alphabet community (with no malice), isn't asking for approval of their lifestyle. They are asking for equal rights, for equal commitment.

They are not asking for God's approval, and it's not your/our job to give them God's approval. ....

Your elected officials have a job to do, take care of the people, not just God's people. Paul said the govt is GOD APPOINTED, so let them do their God appointed job, and stop harrasing them and the alphabet community. Support their need/right for equal rights, stop the bigotry.

Understand this. Homosexuality is an abomination unto God.

According to some. I see no reason to give their opinions on the matter any credibility. It's doubtful that they know more about "God" than me or anybody else. and I certainly don't see any reason for why "God" would consider homosexuality an abomination.

We live under a representative Government and as long as my government represents me, I will vote against any law that legitimizes any behaviour which is an abomination unto God.

Are you suggesting that homosexual behavior is not legitimized in the USA? Is it illegal to be a homosexual or to engage in a homosexual relationship? No? Then why would you think that homosexuality is not legitimate in the USA? Why does the U.S Governments recognition of homosexual relationships be any more of "an abomination unto God" than their acceptance of those relationships? Why would the government treating homosexual relationships the same way they treat other consentual relationships?

As for equal rights, they have equal rights. But renaming sodomy a marriage is not a right. It is a lie. And I don't believe that changing the law to legitimize a lie is right.

Do you know what sodomy means? A homosexual may engage in the act of sodomy but to suggest that their relationship is sodomy, married or not, is a complete misunderstanding of the term sodomy and/or of the term marriage.