Resurrection, what is it?

[Checkpoint]

We are familiar with the word, and know what it is in a general sense.

Yet when it comes down to it, our views of exactly what it means, what it involves, and why it is promised, vary, probably more than we realise.

That is because how we see it reflects how we see the creation of man, and our ultimate destiny.

What do you think resurrection is, and why is it an essential part of God's plan?

Does it refer to only the body, or to the person? If to the person, in what way?

What about the resurrection of Jesus, is it the same for us as it was for him?

Is the resurrection of the unsaved any different?

Acts 24:15

having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust.

[dio9]

resurrection is a liberation of our original self, the image of God. What the image of God is deserves further discussion.

[Checkpoint]

resurrection is a liberation of our original self, the image of God. What the image of God is deserves further discussion.

Discussion of the image is current on another thread.

Feel free to join in there!

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=31108

[dio9]

[Replying to post 12 by Checkpoint]

OK than let me say resurrection is liberation of our original self from greed anger and foolishness.
Check out my comments on the image of God thread.

[Monta]

[Replying to dio9]


"OK than let me say resurrection is liberation of our original self from greed anger and foolishness.
Check out my comments on the image of God thread."

Except they are waiting for the 'last days' before all that can happen.

We are only guessing what the 'last days' means.

I see it as the last days of our old life before regeneration.
Most of those who have turned their life around have had encounter
with Lord Christ one way or another as it says in Hebrews that
those who wait for him He will appear the second time.

[Yahu]

This is the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15-18.

No it isn't. The 'last trump' is a reference to an event in a specific feast of Israel, the feast of trumpets. Only people that don't know the Jewish traditions and feasts assume it has to do with the trumpets in Revelation.

[Checkpoint]

This is the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15-18.

No it isn't. The 'last trump' is a reference to an event in a specific feast of Israel, the feast of trumpets. Only people that don't know the Jewish traditions and feasts assume it has to do with the trumpets in Revelation.

I suggest what you say does not invalidate what I said.

[dio9]

[Replying to dio9]


"OK than let me say resurrection is liberation of our original self from greed anger and foolishness.
Check out my comments on the image of God thread."

Except they are waiting for the 'last days' before all that can happen.

We are only guessing what the 'last days' means.

I see it as the last days of our old life before regeneration.
Most of those who have turned their life around have had encounter
with Lord Christ one way or another as it says in Hebrews that
those who wait for him He will appear the second time.

There is no tomorrow. It is happening now. Now is the time of your life. Why wait? Its gonna happen by you not to you.

[Talishi]

No it isn't. The 'last trump' is a reference to an event in a specific feast of Israel, the feast of trumpets. Only people that don't know the Jewish traditions and feasts assume it has to do with the trumpets in Revelation.

Paul says Christians rise to be with Jesus at the last trump, so it is an eschatological thing. There's no eighth trumpet in Revelation, so the seventh trump must be the last trumpet, unless the Word of God is divided against himself.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 1 by Checkpoint]

What do you think resurrection is, and why is it an essential part of God's plan?

Does it refer to only the body, or to the person? If to the person, in what way?

I think resurrection is the bringing back to life of those who are dead.

It refers to the whole person, not just the body.

Two quite different Greek words are used in the NT that together clarify the nature of resurrection, and why it is an essential part of God's plan.

1) anistemi

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

arise, jump up, stand up

From ana and histemi;

to stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive) -- arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

2) egeiro

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

awake, lift up, raise up

Probably akin to the base of agora (through the idea of collecting one's faculties);

to waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. Rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively, from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence) -- awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-)rise (again, up), stand, take up.

see GREEK agora

That is what resurrection is, a waking up and then a standing or rising up.

Jesus describes how this will happen:

John 5:

28-29 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out

His raising of Lazarus is a perfect example.

The person is awakened and comes out by standing up.

Without resurrection we will perish, we are without hope.

1 Corinthians 15:

16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by Checkpoint]

What do you think resurrection is, and why is it an essential part of God's plan?

Does it refer to only the body, or to the person? If to the person, in what way?

I think resurrection is the bringing back to life of those who are dead.

It refers to the whole person, not just the body.

Two quite different Greek words are used in the NT that together clarify the nature of resurrection, and why it is an essential part of God's plan.

1) anistemi

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

arise, jump up, stand up

From ana and histemi;

to stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive) -- arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

2) egeiro

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

awake, lift up, raise up

Probably akin to the base of agora (through the idea of collecting one's faculties);

to waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. Rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively, from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence) -- awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-)rise (again, up), stand, take up.

see GREEK agora

That is what resurrection is, a waking up and then a standing or rising up.

Jesus describes how this will happen:

John 5:

28-29 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out

His raising of Lazarus is a perfect example.

The person is awakened and comes out by standing up.

Without resurrection we will perish, we are without hope.

1 Corinthians 15:

16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Excellent.

I think that when we read John 11:11-44, we can quite plainly see that all of the ideas you have set forth in your post are correct. It is particularly clear that death is likened to "sleep" by Jesus and, later, by his apostle Paul.

Jesus said to his disciples: "'Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep.' The disciples then said to him, 'Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.' Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he was speaking of literal sleep. So Jesus then said to them plainly, 'Lazarus is dead.'...Jesus said to [Martha], 'Your brother will rise again.' Martha said to him, 'I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.'" (John 11:11-14,23,24, NASB)

The resurrection couldn't have happened immediately after Lazarus died (as one poster suggested, to try and uphold the idea that people don't really die but they are resurrected on THEIR last day), because he was still in his tomb. If he had been "resurrected" to the spirit world and went to heaven, would Jesus have been so sad that he cried (verse 35), and would he have called Lazarus back to the physical world? Hardly. As has been said, Jesus demonstrated what the Resurrection is---the coming back to life as a physical person....the person you had always been, complete with blood in your veins and a unique personality.