Jehovah's Witnesses: Jesus is the Creator

[Faber]

Job 9:8
Who alone stretches out the heavens
And tramples down the waves of the sea. (NASB)

Isaiah 44:24
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb,
I, the LORD, am the maker of all things,
Stretching out the heavens by Myself
And spreading out the earth all alone (NASB)

God "alone" is the Creator and yet the Jehovah's Witnesses affirm that the Lord Jesus shared in the creation.
Insight on the Scriptures: Not a co-Creator. The Sons share in the creative works, however, did not make him a co-Creator with his Father. The power for creation came from God through his holy spirit, or active force. (Ge 1:2; Ps 33:6) And since Jehovah is the Source of all life, all animate creation, visible and invisible, owes its life to him. (Ps 36:9) Rather than a co-Creator, then, the Son was the agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah, the Creator, worked. Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as do all the Scriptures."Mt 19:4-6; see CREATION. (Volume 2, Jesus Christ)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002451

Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses deny the Lord Jesus is God despite the fact that He shared in the creation when the Bible teaches that God "alone" did it?

[JehovahsWitness]

here God clearly says that he's, A. "alone". and B. "by himself".

Yes but I'm sure you agree that alone doesn't necessarily mean literally nobody else in existence. May I draw your attention to the following definition of "alone"

If one Google the phrase, by myself. its rendered, by oneself
phrase of by oneself

2. unaided. synonyms: unassisted, without help, by one's own efforts, under one's own steam, independently, single-handed, single-handedly,
"the patient often learns to undress by himself"

So according to the above definition, " alone" can mean "unassisted" or "under ones own steam" rather than literally nobody else present.

Or do you disagree with the information provided by 101G?

[ttruscott]

The angels shouted but they were not involved with the actual creating. Jesus did. Therefore Jesus is God.

Is there anything to the fact that it was the Sons of GOD (Elohim) who shouted HIS praise? Are they not deemed angels only because of the created on earth theory of humankind? Is not the interpretion of Rom 1:20 best fulfilled by this creation event rather than the study of nature that is ludicrous in its failure?

[JehovahsWitness]

but what you're missing is this.

your Jehovah whom you calls God (which is not God personal name) is really the LORD JESUS, and I can prove this also by the scriptures.

Be my guest but please could you do so on another thread so a to not hijack this one.


Thank you for your consideration, JW

[Elijah John]

a. God alone created the heavens.
b. Jesus created the heavens
c. Therefore, Jesus is God.

That is circular reasoning. Your premise "b" is assuming the conclusion, and is not established.

[101G]

but what you're missing is this.

your Jehovah whom you calls God (which is not God personal name) is really the LORD JESUS, and I can prove this also by the scriptures.

Be my guest but please could you do so on another thread so a to not hijack this one.


Thank you for your consideration, JW

First thanks for the post, second, I believe this thread is appropriate for who is the "CREATOR" look at the subject title. and please notice I will not argue on any name, but ask one simple question that will answer this thread title.

here is the one question

according to Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".

now, "WHO sent his angel to John?". but before you answer, I suggest you read Revelation 22:6 first, because the Angel tells us who sent HIM.

now according to the KJV, it says, "the Lord God of the holy prophets". sent his angel. meaning the God of the OT.
but your NWT states that your Jehovah sent "his" angel to John.

now do you agree with your assessment of the NWT that Jehovah sent his angel to John?. please read your NWT at Revelation 22:6.

when you answer, we will used your NWT, as well as the KJV to reveal the truth, and answer the thread topic, "Jehovah's Witnesses: Jesus is the Creator". this will clear up this subject matter.


PS, don't worry, I will not take this any further after your answer.

once we find out who sent "his" angel, then we can deal with the true understanding of Job 38.

Peace in JESUS the Lord.

[JehovahsWitness]

but what you're missing is this.

your Jehovah whom you calls God (which is not God personal name) is really the LORD JESUS, and I can prove this also by the scriptures.

Be my guest but please could you do so on another thread so a to not hijack this one.


Thank you for your consideration, JW

First thanks for the post, second, .... I will not argue on any name...

Thank you, you're free to do so of course but the thread is not really about the identity of JEHOVAH (YHWH)

Best regards and have an excellent week,

JW

[101G]

but what you're missing is this.

your Jehovah whom you calls God (which is not God personal name) is really the LORD JESUS, and I can prove this also by the scriptures.

Be my guest but please could you do so on another thread so a to not hijack this one.


Thank you for your consideration, JW

First thanks for the post, second, .... I will not argue on any name...

Thank you, you're free to do so of course but the thread is not really about the identity of JEHOVAH (YHWH)

Best regards and have an excellent week,

JW

Thanks for the post, I'm not challenging the name itself but the title holder as CREATOR, as the thread topic states.

so I take it that you don't want to answer the Revelation 1:1 question?.

Peace in JESUS the Lord.

[EBA]

Thanks for the post, I'm not challenging the name itself but the title holder as CREATOR, as the thread topic states.

so I take it that you don't want to answer the Revelation 1:1 question?.

Peace in JESUS the Lord.

Please continue with your course of thinking, I'm curious. I too believe Christ is Yahweh and that he is our creator.

Peace.

[Elijah John]

Thanks for the post, I'm not challenging the name itself but the title holder as CREATOR, as the thread topic states.

so I take it that you don't want to answer the Revelation 1:1 question?.

Peace in JESUS the Lord.

Please continue with your course of thinking, I'm curious. I too believe Christ is Yahweh and that he is our creator.

Peace.

If "Christ is Yahweh" or Jehovah, then what is the name of the Father?

[EBA]

If "Christ is Yahweh" or Jehovah, then what is the name of the Father?

I believe his name is Yahweh as well.

Peace.