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When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

The traditions of the Jewish Pharisees, and the followers of the "Christian" Pharisee of Pharisees, are not the same as the Word of God.(Numbers 28:16-17) & (Lev 23:5-6). & John 20:31. A "high day" "Sabbath", is not the same as a Sabbath. The 14th of day of the first month was not a high holy day. It was a day when you could put people on the cross, break "their legs" and take the leaven out of the house. The 14th of Nissan, at the time of the crucifixion, was on a Wednesday, the high holy Sabbath, the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, the 15th of Nissan, was on a Thursday, and 3 days and 3 nights later, on the evening of the regular Sabbath, Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty on the dawn of the 1st day of the week, which starts at sundown of the previous day. Between the harlot Judah (Rev 17:16), and the "daughters of Babylon" (Zech 2:7), the "Christian church", the world seems to be going in circles, and truth seems to remain at bay.

King James Bible John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Numbers 28: 16Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORDS Passover. 17 On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. 18On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
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showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.

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That is a little misleading, as you are using the Roman calendar, which suggests actually March 31st after sundown.
Yes Nisan 14th this year corresponds to 31st March. That will be Saturday night.

We do indeed use unleaven bread as Christ did.
Saturday night, after sunset, would be the 15th of the 1st month, .
No your calculations are a little off, can you share why you say the evening of the 30th rather than the 31st?

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No your calculations are a little off, can you share why you say the evening of the 30th rather than the 31st?
Using the Roman Catholic Gregorian Calendar, based on the Roman emperor's Julian calendar, the 13th of the 1st month of the Jewish calendar would correspond to the 30th of March. After sunset of the 13 of Nissan, would be the 14th of the 1st month, when unleavened bread was to be eaten (Ex 18:12). On the 15th of the 1st month, the sacrificed lamb, which was sacrificed between the evenings of the 14th day of the 1st month of the Jewish calendar, was supposed to be eaten with the unleavened bread. At that time, Yeshua was supposedly already in the belly of the whale. Like with the traditions of the Jews, you seem to be confused on the difference between Passover and the Feast of Unleavened bread.

The last supper was the Passover meal of unleavened bread which began after sunset on the 13th of Nissan, the 30th of the Gregorian 30th of March. The 14th day ended on the eve of the 15th high holy Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened bread, when the sacrificed lamb is completely eaten before midnight. To be clear, I think a better translation of when the angel of death flew over is "mid night", not 12:00 A.M.


New American Standard Bible Ex 18:12
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.

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showme wrote: [Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]
No your calculations are a little off, can you share why you say the evening of the 30th rather than the 31st?
Using the Roman Catholic Gregorian Calendar, based on the Roman emperor's Julian calendar, the 13th of the 1st month of the Jewish calendar would correspond to the 30th of March.
Do you think the Yeshua used the Roman Catholic Gregorian Calendar?
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showme wrote: [Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]
No your calculations are a little off, can you share why you say the evening of the 30th rather than the 31st?
Using the Roman Catholic Gregorian Calendar, based on the Roman emperor's Julian calendar, the 13th of the 1st month of the Jewish calendar would correspond to the 30th of March.
Do you think the Yeshua used the Roman Catholic Gregorian Calendar?
No, you are using the Gregorian calendar in your post. The evening of March 30th, after sundown, is the beginning of the 14th day of the first month, when unleavened bread is eaten. That is when the last supper happened. The last supper did not happen at the end of the 14th day of the first month, which is the beginning of the 15th day of the month, when the sacrificed lamb was to be eaten, and Yeshua was supposedly in the ground, such as eaten by the whale of Matthew 12:40. Try thinking outside the box of the teachings of your church, who is also one of the daughters of Babylon. (Zech 2:7) The Romans in the days of Yeshua used the Julian calendar, and worshiped Caesar as a god. Paul called on the lord Caesar to save him from the wrathful Jews of Jerusalem.

New American Standard Bible Ex 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.

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The passover is the first full moon after the Jewish New Year..

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TripleZ wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
showme wrote:When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.

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The passover is the first full moon after the Jewish New Year..
The 14th of the 1st month corresponds to the 31st of March. The lamb was sacrificed during the 14th of the 1st month, or 31st of March, between the evenings. or in the case of Yeshua, supposedly at around the 9th hour, he was still alive (Mt 27:45). The last supper, was apparently 21 hours before that time. The Jews eat the Passover lamb on the night of the 14th, after the lamb is sacrifice, after sunset, which would be the 15th of the 1st month, which would offset around 6 hours with the 1st of April with respect to the Gregorian calendar. (Ex 12:8) You were supposed to eat the unleavened bread and wine in remembrance of the last supper, which happened after sunset of the 30 of March 2018, or the Jewish day of the 14th of the 1st month, also known as the 31st of March, the date of a blue moon. Yeshua was supposedly buried and in the earth by sunset of the 14th. The Jews ate their Passover on the eve of the 15th day of the 1st month, the "feast of the Unleavened bread". That is when at mid night, the angel of death flew over.

Young's Literal Translation Exodus 12:6
'And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;

Ex 12:6 And you shall keep it for inspection until the fourteenth day of this month, and the entire congregation of the community of Israel shall slaughter it in the afternoon. https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9873

Matthew 27:44 In the same way, even the robbers who were crucified with Him berated Him. 45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani? which means, My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?

Exodus 12:7'Moreover, they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it. 8They shall eat the flesh that same night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. 9Do not eat any of it raw or boiled at all with water, but rather roasted with fire, both its head and its legs along with its entrails.

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showme wrote:No, you are using the Gregorian calendar in your post. .
So are you...
showme wrote:A better understood version would be March 30th, after sundown
That said, how do you calculate that Nisan 14 falls on 30th not 31st?
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When is the Passover/Days of Unleavened Bread?

In Exodus 12, the Israelites were instructed to observe the Passover on the 14th day of Nisan, beginning at twilight or the end of the sunset on the 13th day of Nisan and the beginning of night on the 14th day of Nisan. The commencement ceremony was to be the killing of a lamb. This lamb was killed so that its blood could be put onto the lintel and door posts of their homes, which would protect their firstborn from the plague of the firstborn.

Exodus 12:14-16: So, this day (Passover) shall be to you a memorial and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting (or a long period of time) ordinance. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day (the 14th) you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day (the 14th) until (through) the seventh day (end of the 20th) that person shall be cut off from Israel. See: verse 18. (NKJV- Holman Bible Publishers)

So, it is clear from these instructions that the first day of unleavened bread is the 14th day of Nisan. It is also clear in Exodus 12:8 that unleavened bread was to be eaten with the Passover lamb. We can also review Deut. 16:1-4, which states that no leavened bread shall be eaten with the Passover lamb (verse 3) and that no meat, which was sacrificed on the first day (of unleavened bread) shall be left uneaten or not destroyed by morning (verse 4).

There is an important point that needs to be introduced at this time: The first Passover sacrifice, by the whole congregation of Israel (at twilight of the 14th day) was only possible because of the instructions given, which commanded that every head of a household would kill the lamb (Exodus 12:3-4).

However, as time moved on, the time period the Passover lambs were killed, changed (because of varies reasons). The main one was that only the priests could kill the Passover lambs, which would have made it impossible to kill all the Passover sacrifices at twilight between the 13th and 14th of Nisan. Hence, the Passover sacrifices changed from twilight to all day of the 14th (mostly). This was done so that the whole congregation of Israel could eat the Passover lambs at the same time or on the beginning of the 15th of Nisan. Which, effectively changed the beginning of the Days of Unleavened bread from the 14th to the 15th of Nisan, not by God, but by man! The importance of the Passover was not eating the lamb, but the need for the blood of the lamb!

The stark reality that the Christ prophesied the destruction of the Israelite temple shows that the Passover is no longer in affect. Thus, what is required today, is the remembrance of the Christ and what he did for mankind, which was introduced at the beginning of the 14th of Nisan (last supper) or the first day of unleavened bread.

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So, it is clear from these instructions that the first day of unleavened bread is the 14th day of Nisan. It is also clear in Exodus 12:8 that unleavened bread was to be eaten with the Passover lamb. We can also review Deut. 16:1-4, which states that no leavened bread shall be eaten with the Passover lamb (verse 3) and that no meat, which was sacrificed on the first day (of unleavened bread) shall be left uneaten or not destroyed by morning (verse 4).
Nothing you wrote is clear. The Jewish bible reads that "the entire congregation of the community of Israel shall slaughter it in the afternoon". Young's bible translates that into between the evenings. Yeshua and the disciples had the last supper after sunset of the 13th of the 1st month, which would be the evening of the 14th of the 1st month. The crucifixion supposedly took place around 18 hours later at the 6th hour, or around noon. The eating of the sacrificial lamb took place that day after sunset, which makes it the 15th day of the first month, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a high holy Sabbath. As for the Temple, Yeshua said he could raise it in 3 days.(John 2:19). That was in response to Hosea 6:2, whereas Judah and Ephraim/Israel, will be healed after 2 days, on the 3rd day. Judah and Ephraim/Israel, will be the sanctuary/Temple of God on the land that "I gave to Jacob" (Ezekiel 37:15-27). Both Judah and Israel have been "crushed in judgment" (Hosea 5:11) for over 2000 years/2 days, and when David is king, they will keep My statutes, and walk in My ordinances. What is important is "do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19), which was to eat the unleavened bread, which is the bread of life, which is the "Word of God", and is eaten without the leaven of the Pharisees. And the last supper happened after sunset of the evening of the 13th day of the first month, which makes it the 14th day of the first month.

New American Standard Bible Ex 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. That is 8 days.

Exodus 12:6.And you shall keep it for inspection until the fourteenth day of this month, and the entire congregation of the community of Israel shall slaughter it in the afternoon. https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9873

Young's Literal Translation Exodus 12:6
'And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;

Exodus 12: 7'Moreover, they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it. 8They shall eat the flesh that same night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

Dt 16:1Observe the month of Abib and celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, for in the month of Abib the LORD your God brought you out of Egypt by night. 2You shall sacrifice the Passover to the LORD your God from the flock and the herd, in the place where the LORD chooses to establish His name. 3You shall not eat leavened bread with it; seven days you shall eat with it unleavened bread, the bread of affliction

Luke 22:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

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