"To the glory of God the Father"

[Elijah John]

Paul literally sings the praises of Jesus with a fervor that had been previously reserved for God alone. Then he adds the disclaimer "to the glory of God the Father".

But it seems that in effect, only (or mainly) the Son is really glorified in conventional, Trinitarian Christianity.

consider:

-How many hymns have been composed glorifying Jesus as compared with the number of hyms glorifying the Father? Or for that matter, the Holy Spirit?
-and how many litanies?
-It seems that one hears such phrases as "praise Jesus", "bring it to Jesus", "ask Jesus", "thank you Jesus" as often (or more than) similar phrases addressed to the Father.
-When the average Trinitarian hears the word "Lord" do they understand it to mean, Jehovah? Or Jesus.
-When the average Trinitarian uses the word "Lord, do they mean Jehovah? Or Jesus.

For debate:

Is such shifting of the glory and emphasis,( from the Father to the Son) the inevitable result of Divinizing the mediator, in this case Jesus?

Is this what has to happen when folks make a God out of Jesus?

Is all this Jesus worship, really "to the glory of God the Father"? Or mainly to the glory of the Son.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 10 by Elijah John]


"Here's the reference, Philippians 2.11

Quote:
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.//

Thanks, that makes sense.

[Elijah John]

Another example of how Jesus worship has eclipsed devotion to the Father is this, from CARM's homepage, which reads that CARM is a:

"ministry dedicated to the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ"

.

In that particular sentence at least, notice there is no mention of the glory of God. Or even to the "glory of God the Father" as Paul might say. At best the glory of God is only implied in that statement.

It's almost as if the Father has become the proud Papa who is living vicariously through His son, cheering him on from the sidelines. The Father, in Trinitarian Christianity, sometimes seems to have faded into obscurity. At least in the minds of some Christians.

So to restate or rephrase the OP question, is this the natural or inevitable result of Jesus worship? Of Divinizing and glorifying the "mediator"?

Do you think this is what Jesus intended?

[TripleZ]

Paul literally sings the praises of Jesus with a fervor that had been previously reserved for God alone. Then he adds the disclaimer "to the glory of God the Father".

But it seems that in effect, only (or mainly) the Son is really glorified in conventional, Trinitarian Christianity.

consider:

-How many hymns have been composed glorifying Jesus as compared with the number of hyms glorifying the Father? Or for that matter, the Holy Spirit?
-and how many litanies?
-It seems that one hears such phrases as "praise Jesus", "bring it to Jesus", "ask Jesus", "thank you Jesus" as often (or more than) similar phrases addressed to the Father.
-When the average Trinitarian hears the word "Lord" do they understand it to mean, Jehovah? Or Jesus.
-When the average Trinitarian uses the word "Lord, do they mean Jehovah? Or Jesus.

For debate:

Is such shifting of the glory and emphasis,( from the Father to the Son) the inevitable result of Divinizing the mediator, in this case Jesus?

Is this what has to happen when folks make a God out of Jesus?

Is all this Jesus worship, really "to the glory of God the Father"? Or mainly to the glory of the Son.

This is YOUR supposition and you show no Scripture. But then, I guess Paul was very grateful that another human being was willing to suffer and to actually die for him, but not only Paul, but for all mankind, even YOU! But, as the world has always been, there is no pleasing some!