Jesus preaching hate?

[Elijah John]

26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

For debate.

Is this verse evidence that we all must "pick and choose" some passages over others in order to remain Christians?

Or is the passage evidence that Jesus used poetic language of hyperbole?

Can one "hate" and still honor one's parents? If not, then isn't Jesus preaching against an important Commandment? And if so, how could he still be considered "perfect"?

[William]

As someone who claims "I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him." What do you think Jesus meant by this?

Did YHVH ever council his followers to hate others? Or is this specific to hating one's parents?

Would YWVH counsel hating one's parents if they were attempting to convince their children to deny and turn away from YWVH? Are you unsure and that is why you are asking?

Or perhaps this and other similar threads you create have more to do with the idea that if there is a 'true Jesus' [in relation to the part of your signature stating "-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster. "] you are trying to understand and even expose that which is the false Jesus through the platform of public debate to try and get show people that they are following the false Jesus?

[William]

[Replying to post 7 by ttruscott]

...it says we must choose some doctrines that are unpopular; a doctrine I've been scorned for here.

There is no evidence that Jesus taught the doctrine you are rebuked for preaching here.

[William]

Jesus isn't preaching hate. He is teaching rebuking.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 10 by William]

My signature is not the topic for debate. It is an encapsulation of my theological positions, nothing more.

Yes, Jesus did council his disiciples to "hate" their family, including their parents. Luke 14.26. This thread is an attempt to find out what Jesus meant, and how do deal with what is, for many a troublesome verse.

As for the rest of your post here, I do not intend to dignify it with a response. And no, not because you ask the "tough questions". But rather lately your questions have little to do with the topic, and more to do with the poster.

You have been warned about this already.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

God hates in the Old Testament so why wouldn't God hate in the New?

Think for a moment on Islam or Hinduism. The single biggest factor behind people remaining in those religions is family. The tribe will kill you, excommunicate you, deny you. Even Judaism has this element. Even Christians use family badly.

So many opportunities are ignored because family holds us back.

Unless the family is actually bad, or toxic, then doesn't the imperative to hate one's family put Jesus at odds with the commandment to honor one's parents?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 14 by Elijah John]

How is a non Christian honouring their parents if they are going to hell?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 14 by Elijah John]

How is a non Christian honouring their parents if they are going to hell?

OK, that is another subject entirely. We are discussing Jews and Christians here, who abide by the Ten Commandments as enumerated in the Torah. Even Jesus said, "if you would enter life, keep the Commandments".

How can Jesus advocate the keeping of the Commandments on one hand, and preach against one of them on the other?

Unless, of course there was a deeper meaning to "hating" one's parents. Or Jesus was being hyperbolic?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 14 by Elijah John]

How is a non Christian honouring their parents if they are going to hell?

OK, that is another subject entirely. We are discussing Jews and Christians here, who abide by the Ten Commandments as enumerated in the Torah. Even Jesus said, "if you would enter life, keep the Commandments".

How can Jesus advocate the keeping of the Commandments on one hand, and preach against one of them on the other?

Unless, of course there was a deeper meaning to "hating" one's parents. Or Jesus was being hyperbolic?

It's on topic. Working within the Christian paradigm, who really hates their parents, the one getting alkng with them as they go to hell or the one hating on them and trying to save them?

How can we say we love our family or anyone if we let them go to hell?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 17 by Wootah]

So, how does one know whether a given parent is "going to hell". Isn't that for God alone to know and decide? And even if one's parent is "unsaved", isn't it still the God-given moral obligation to honor them by obedience and respect? (obedience depending on the son or daughter's age)

And by honoring them, bring them to "salvation"?

If an "unsaved" parent, has a "saved" child, isn't that chld's preaching far more likely to be effective if they honor the parent in question, as opposed to approaching them with an attitude of disrespect and hatred?

[Elijah John]

How can we say we love our family or anyone if we let them go to hell?

"Let them"? We are not the Savior, God is. What about the admonition to "love thy enemy"? Presumably, some of our enemies are "unsaved", right?