Jehovah of the OT, is Jesus Christ of the New Testament

[Revelations won]

Jehovah of the Old Testament, is Jesus Christ of the New Testament

There are some today who do not understand or accept that Jehovah of the Old Testament is in fact Jesus Christ of the New Testament. My observation is that He is in very deed the great Jehovah, who was and is King of kings and Lord of lords, even the very Messiah, our lord and redeemer, the Holy One of Israel and the the author of our resurrection and the only name whereby man can be saved. This is my “take� on this topic. I welcome all would care to debate and provide your evidence to support contrary or opposing views. The following scriptures are presented as evidence supporting my “take� on the above subject:

Isaiah 43:3 “For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:"

Isaiah 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour�

Isaiah 9:6-7 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Isaiah 25:8-9 “He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.


Isaiah 26:19 “Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.�


Matthew 27:52-53 “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Acts 4:10-12 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Exodus 3:14 God calls himself “I AM� “3 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.�


John 8:54-58 (Before Abraham was “I AM�. 54 “Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
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Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
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Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
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Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
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Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,
I AM.�


Exodus 6:3 “And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.�


Deuteronomy 32:2-4 “My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

3Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.�


1Corinthians 10:1-4 “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.�


Hebrews 5:8-9 “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;�


Psalms 118:22-24 “The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
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This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
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This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.�





Acts 4:10-12 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.�


John 10:1-11 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
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But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
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To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
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And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
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And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
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This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
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Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
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All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
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I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
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The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
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I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


Ephesians 2:18-20 “For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


Hebrews 1:1-4 “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
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Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.�


Hebrews 2:8-11 “And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.�

John 1:1-5 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2
The same was in the beginning with God.
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All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
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And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.�


Colossians 2:8-14 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;�

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 10 by Revelations won]

World English Bible
I myself am Yahweh; and besides me there is no savior.- Isaiah 43:11

QUESTION How can we reconcile the fact that Isaiah 43 has YHWH declaring himself "alone" savior with the fact that the title savior is also attributed to Jesus?

The word "alone" does not have to be taken in its absolute sense.

For example we can speak of "eating 'alone' in a restaurant" when in fact there were other diners present as well as waiters and kitchen staff. We are not "alone" in the absolute sense we use the word "alone" here in the relative, meaning there was nobody at my table with me, sharing the experience; that in a particular sense I was indeed "alone".

Jehovah (Yahweh/YHWH) is the ultimate source of salvation and "alone" in his position as the supreme first cause of all salvation. In that sense he occupies a unique "table" or position that he does not share with anyone else.

In view of the above then, "alone" does not therefore mean that YHWH (Jehovah) can never use instruments or agents to achieve his ends or that nobody can legitimately be referred to by the same title.




JW




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[JehovahsWitness]

ACTS 4:12

ACTS 4:12 “ Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved�

♦ RESPONSE The title SAVOUR ("god" "Lord" "stone", "rock" or "Father".. ) are not used exclusively for YHWH the Creator in scripture.

Ultimately, in the absolute sense YHWH (Jehovah) alone saves in that he (Jehovah)is the originator of all salvation. Without Him (Almighty God the Father) there could be no salvation. God has however chosen to administer his salvation through/by means of Jesus.

To illustrate: A Scientist disdovers the cure for cancer. All cancer cures will thereafter be attributed to The Scientist. Although he could administer the cure directly, he choses to delegate the providing of this cure through his Chief Medical Officer, a Doctor. He declares that there is no cure anywhere that will work except through this one doctor, a man, Doctor J. This Dr J. works tirelessly to see that the cure gets to all peoples of the earth that need it. Would it be wrong to highlight how central Dr. J is in the curing of people and that there is no doctor on earth ("under heaven") by means of which one can obtain a cure?

Peter in his discourse at Acts does not contend that Jesus is the originator of salvation, rather he points to the only individual that has ever lived on earth ("under heaven") by means of which we can obtain salvation. Where did that salvation originate? With YHWH. That the only name that "has been given among men" for salvation is JESUS is fine, Jehovah was never "given" his name and he is not nor has he ever been a man/individual that has lived "under heaven" (Mat 6:9).


CONCLUSION There is nothing in Acts 4:13 that imposes a trinitarian reading. Peter is merely pointing out the central role that has been delegated to JESUS by YHWH/Jehovah, the ultimate source or originator of salvation.

[Elijah John]

If Jehovah is in fact Jesus Christ as you claim, and Jesus Christ teaches us to pray to the Father saying "hallowed be thy name", then what is the Father's name that Jesus speaks of? Are you saying the Father has no name of his own?

Did Jesus teach his disciples to pray to the Father? Or did Jesus teach them to pray to Jesus?

[Revelations won]

Response to my post to JW's dated 4-6-2020. I certainly am most willing for you to respond to my 7 questions. Your response is most welcome.

Kind regards,

RW

[Revelations won]

Greeting Elijah John,

Thank you for asking a very good question. You asked:

If Jehovah is in fact Jesus Christ as you claim, and Jesus Christ teaches us to pray to the Father saying \"hallowed be name, then what is the Father\'s name that Jesus speaks of? Are you saying the Father has no name of his own?

Did Jesus teach his disciples to pray to the Father? Or did Jesus teach them to pray to Jesus?

My response:

1. Yes Christ clearly taught that we should pray unto the father.

2. The Fathers name is Elohim.

3. The "Godhead" clearly consists of three separate and individual beings, namely God the Father (Elohim), God the Son (Jehovah also known as Jesus Christ) and The Holy Ghost).

The "Word" under the direction of God the father created this earth and all things therein. As a necessary and vital part of the plan of salvation God the father foreordained God the son before the foundations of the world were even laid to be our savior and redeemer as one of the vital parts of His divine plan.

Ephesians 1:1-4 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


Isaiah 46: 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

We should also note what the apostle Paul taught regarding our savior Jesus Christ in:

2 Timothy1:9-10 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

1 Peter 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
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To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
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Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Elijah John, I would ask you since it has been clearly shown that it was none other than Christ who was foreordained by God the Father before the foundations of the earth were laid, then it is self evident that Christ existed with a spirit body and was with God in the beginning. What think ye???

You should also observe that when Christ was upon the earth that there then existed much disputation among men who Christ was as shown in
Matthew Chapter 16.

You might also observe what Peter’s answer was which was received by revelation from none other that His (Christ’s) Father as found in

Matthew 16: 13-17 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

You should also note this powerful testimony from the chief apostle Peter as given in:

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


My observation is that some men find this witness as contradictory to an earlier witness given as regards to Jehovah. As I see it there is NO CONTRADICTION when we clearly understand that they are one and the same.

Consider the following:

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

The Priests and Pharisees in their blindness failed to recognize Christ as the stone which the builders rejected I.e.

Matthew 24 42-45 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

The mighty testimony found in John by Christ to the unbelievers in his day is applicable to those in our day. My take is that the Lord God of Israel has many names. One was “I AM�. It would appear that the Lord gives revelation “line upon line�, to us as we prepare ourselves to receive more.

As I understand it those in ancient Israel looked past the mark and failed to understand the many prophesies concerning Christ. It appears to me that they failed in most cases to understand that the “law of Moses� was indeed a “schoolmaster� to bring their minds to receive Christ as their redeemer and the rock of their salvation.

I would ask, how long did it take before the Lord God of Israel saw fit to reveal one of his names “Jehovah� to his people?

How long did it take for ancient Israel and those of our day to accept His humble birth as the literal Son of God the Father?

How long will it take for us to fully grasp that God (Jehovah) would come down from above to be born as we and act in the capacity of exemplar, illustrator, and King of kings and Lord of Lords?

How long will it take us to recognize that He was the Lamb that was foreordained before the foundations of the world were even laid to die in the meridian of time and suffer in garden and on the cross, thus providing the atonement in obedience to the Fathers will?

We as Christians commemorate and celebrate this very day His resurrection and atonement provided by the one and only redeemer and savior, even Jesus Christ!

I submit that Jesus Christ is in fact the great Jehovah sent to earth as the only begotten of the Father in the flesh to fulfill his earthly mission as “wonderful, councillor, the mighty God, the prince of peace, redeemer, saviour and author of our salvation!

Come now and let us reason together, for the OT is clear that Jehovah is our Savior. The New Testament is very clear that Jesus Christ is the only name under heaven whereby man may be saved!

If they are not one and the same being, then who is lying?


John 3:11-17 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Kindest regards,
RW

[Eloi]

RevWon, your initial post is not about why Jesus is the way to get salvation ... it is about the conclusion that, someway, you get after reinterpreting this. My first post shows that your conclusion is wrong. Is it not clear to you? Maybe it is you who needs to focus in why your conclusion is wrong. Check my post again; it is the second one in this thread.

BTW, Jesus is Savior because God made him so for us. His own name means "Jehovah is Salvation".

[Revelations won]

Dear JW's



In response to the JW responses,

All I was asking for was a simple and clear response to my question:

1.Now, if I understand you correctly, it is your position that Jehovah is the “only savior� and that besides him there is “NO OTHER SAVIOR.�

From your point of view is this correct?

Kind regards,
RW

[Revelations won]

Dear Eloi,

I need some clarification regarding your post so that I may give a clear answer.

Are you saying that Christ is our only Savior?

Are you saying that Christ is not God?

Could you please clarify you views on the above two questions?

Best regards,
RW

[Revelations won]

Greeting Elijah John,

Thank you for asking a very good question. You asked:

If Jehovah is in fact Jesus Christ as you claim, and Jesus Christ teaches us to pray to the Father saying "hallowed be thy name, then what is the Father’s name that Jesus speaks of? Are you saying the Father has no name of his own?

Did Jesus teach his disciples to pray to the Father? Or did Jesus teach them to pray to Jesus?

My response:

1. Yes Christ clearly taught that we should pray unto the father.

2. The Fathers name is Elohim.

3. The "Godhead" clearly consists of three separate and individual beings, namely God the Father (Elohim), God the Son (Jehovah also known as Jesus Christ) and The Holy Ghost).

As I understand it: The "Word" under the direction of God the father created this earth and all things therein. As a necessary and vital part of the plan of salvation God the father foreordained God “the Son� (Jesus Christ) before the foundations of the world were even laid to be our savior and redeemer as one of the vital parts of His divine plan.

Ephesians 1:1-4 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


Isaiah 46: 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

We should also note what the apostle Paul taught regarding our savior Jesus Christ in:

2 Timothy1:9-10 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

1 Peter 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Elijah John, I would ask you since it has been clearly shown that it was none other than Christ who was foreordained by God the Father before the foundations of the earth were laid, then it is self evident that Christ existed with a spirit body and was with God in the beginning. What think ye???

You should also observe that when Christ was upon the earth that there then existed much disputation among men who Christ was as shown in
Matthew Chapter 16.

You might also observe what Peter’s answer was which was received by revelation from none other that His (Christ’s) Father as found in

Matthew 16: 13-17 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

You should also note this powerful testimony from the chief apostle Peter as given in:

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


My observation is that some men find this witness as contradictory to an earlier witness given as regards to Jehovah. As I see it there is NO CONTRADICTION when we clearly understand that they are one and the same.

Consider the following:

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

The Priests and Pharisees in their blindness failed to recognize Christ as the stone which the builders rejected I.e.

Matthew 24 42-45 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.





Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

The mighty testimony found in John by Christ to the unbelievers in his day is applicable to those in our day. My take is that the Lord God of Israel has many names. One was “I AM�. It would appear that the Lord gives revelation “line upon line�, to us as we prepare ourselves to receive more.

As I understand it those in ancient Israel looked past the mark and failed to understand the many prophesies concerning Christ. It appears to me that they failed in most cases to understand that the “law of Moses� was indeed a “schoolmaster� to bring their minds to receive Christ as their redeemer and the rock of their salvation.

I would ask, how long did it take before the Lord God of Israel saw fit to reveal one of his names “Jehovah� to his people?

How long did it take for ancient Israel and those of our day to accept His humble birth as the literal Son of God the Father?

How long will it take for us to fully grasp that God (Jehovah) would come down from above to be born as we and act in the capacity of exemplar, illustrator, and King of kings and Lord of Lords?

How long will it take us to recognize that He was the Lamb that was foreordained before the foundations of the world were even laid to die in the meridian of time and suffer in garden and on the cross, thus providing the atonement in obedience to the Fathers will?

We as Christians commemorate and celebrate this very day His resurrection and atonement provided by the one and only redeemer and savior, even Jesus Christ!

I submit that Jesus Christ is in fact the great Jehovah sent to earth as the only begotten of the Father in the flesh to fulfill his earthly mission as “wonderful, councillor, the mighty God, the prince of peace, redeemer, saviour and author of our salvation!

Come now and let us reason together, for the OT is clear that Jehovah is our Savior. The New Testament is very clear that Jesus Christ is the only name under heaven whereby man may be saved!

If they are not one and the same being, then who is lying?


John 3:11-17 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Kindest regards,
RW

[Eloi]

[Replying to Revelations won]
RevWon, your topic is "Jehovah of the OT, is Jesus of the NT" ... and that is not true as I showed you.

Why Jesus is our Savior is another topic, not related AT ALL with this one.