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.Philippians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
." Can you make a post about this it seems way off topic but might be worth its own topic.Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:38 pmPaul was never under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.MissKate13 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:56 pmSome people deny the words Paul wrote under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.Wootah wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:29 pm
The words are written down in a page of a book called the Bible and you are refusing to accept their written down meaning.
If someone is given the name above all names then either that is true or false. Is Paul's words true that Jesus has the name above all names or are Paul's words false that the name given to Jesus is not above all names?
Why isn't what you are doing eisigesis caused by cognitive dissonance?
Yet, YHWH is the one who gave Jesus the name above ALL names.
Some refuse to acknowledge that The Lord Jesus Christ is YHWH. But one has to ask the following: why would YHWH give Jesus the name above ALL names? He gave Jesus the name because Jesus IS YHWH.
You nailed it Wootah! It’s called cognitive dissonance. Admitting one is wrong is a very difficult thing to do. People hate being wrong.
Only those who do what Jesus commanded know the name!
Christians don’t know.
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PHILIPIANS 2:9
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
Well if it is true then that STILL proves that Jesus is NOT the same or equal to YHWH.
If you (general plural "you") believe Pauls words are true, you cannot also believe Jesus and Jehovah(YHWH ) are the same or equal.Jesus would now be HIGHER than Jehovah (YHWH). Remember the scripture does not say equal to all names it says "higher". You can't change the words in the bible. If Jesus is now higher than YHWH, then Jesus cannot be the same as Jehovah (The Father) , since the Fathers name is now presently lower than Jesus'.
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I think more accurately bestowed the name above all names, YHWH.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:27 amPHILIPIANS 2:9
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the FatherWell if it is true then that STILL proves that Jesus is NOT the same or equal to YHWH.
If you (general plural "you") believe Pauls words are true, you cannot also believe Jesus and Jehovah(YHWH ) are the same or equal.Jesus would now be HIGHER than Jehovah (YHWH). Remember the scripture does not say equal to all names it says "higher". You can't change the words in the bible. If Jesus is now higher than YHWH, then Jesus cannot be the same as Jehovah (The Father) , since the Fathers name is now presently lower than Jesus'.
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." Wootah wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:04 amI think more accurately bestowed the name above all names, YHWH.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:27 amPHILIPIANS 2:9
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the FatherWell if it is true then that STILL proves that Jesus is NOT the same or equal to YHWH.
If you (general plural "you") believe Pauls words are true, you cannot also believe Jesus and Jehovah(YHWH ) are the same or equal.Jesus would now be HIGHER than Jehovah (YHWH). Remember the scripture does not say equal to all names it says "higher". You can't change the words in the bible. If Jesus is now higher than YHWH, then Jesus cannot be the same as Jehovah (The Father) , since the Fathers name is now presently lower than Jesus'.
JW
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https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005681
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."Exactly! The Lord Jesus Christ is YHWH.Wootah wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:57 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #14]
Re post 6
The highest name is: Bob
Now the new bugger name is: Phil.
Nothing illogical there.
In Jesus case the highest name is YHWH and that is the name given to Jesus.
There is ample proof provided in the Scriptures to show that Jesus and Jehovah (YHWH) are not the same person. Anyone following this thread could see that, if they looked at it with the eyes of understanding. The "name above all names" was given to Jesus by his Father, Jehovah. Naturally any name would not surpass the Almighty God's own name. YHWH gives to whom He wishes, and He could take it back if He wished. The passages in the OT are not applied to Jesus in the NT. Even in the NT the Father, YHWH, is mentioned many times, really any time "God" is referred to. Hebrews 1:6, for example, speaks about God having a Son, and the Son is a reflection of God's glory and His exact representation. Obviously there are two distinct persons referred to. The rest of the references are also referring to YHWH as Jesus' God. (See Heb.1:8,9) "That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation..." Verse 8 is a bad interpretation of Psalm 45. It should read: "God is your throne forever and ever..." Meaning that God, YHWH, is the source of the Son's power and authority.MissKate13 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:06 pmThe name above all names is “The Lord Jesus Christ.”Wootah wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:49 am.Philippians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
What is the name above all names?
The Lord Jesus Christ is YHWH.
Joel 2:32
“And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved;”
Romans 10:13
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Paul is referring to Jesus as "Lord" in Rom 10:13. This is beyond doubt; and the fact that he quotes an OT text referring to YHWH and applies it to Jesus shows clearly what he thinks of the status of Jesus.
This is not the first time where OT passages that refer to YHWH in the OT are applied to Jesus in the NT:
Heb 1:6 quotes Deut 32:43
Heb 1:8, 9 quotes Ps 45:6, 7
Heb 1:10-12 quotes Ps 102:25-27 (LXX)
Phil 2:10, 11 quotes Isa 45:23
Matt 3:3 (cf V11) quotes Isa 40:3
In the OT, YHWH is referred to as Savior, first and last, Lord of Lords. These same names are applied to Jesus in the NT.
That is an out and out lie! No Christian would say such a thing.Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:38 pmPaul was never under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.MissKate13 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:56 pmSome people deny the words Paul wrote under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.Wootah wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:29 pm
The words are written down in a page of a book called the Bible and you are refusing to accept their written down meaning.
If someone is given the name above all names then either that is true or false. Is Paul's words true that Jesus has the name above all names or are Paul's words false that the name given to Jesus is not above all names?
Why isn't what you are doing eisigesis caused by cognitive dissonance?
Yet, YHWH is the one who gave Jesus the name above ALL names.
Some refuse to acknowledge that The Lord Jesus Christ is YHWH. But one has to ask the following: why would YHWH give Jesus the name above ALL names? He gave Jesus the name because Jesus IS YHWH.
You nailed it Wootah! It’s called cognitive dissonance. Admitting one is wrong is a very difficult thing to do. People hate being wrong.
Only those who do what Jesus commanded know the name!
Christians don’t know.
onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:36 amThere is ample proof provided in the Scriptures to show that Jesus and Jehovah (YHWH) are not the same person. Anyone following this thread could see that, if they looked at it with the eyes of understanding. The "name above all names" was given to Jesus by his Father, Jehovah. Naturally any name would not surpass the Almighty God's own name. YHWH gives to whom He wishes, and He could take it back if He wished. The passages in the OT are not applied to Jesus in the NT. Even in the NT the Father, YHWH, is mentioned many times, really any time "God" is referred to. Hebrews 1:6, for example, speaks about God having a Son, and the Son is a reflection of God's glory and His exact representation. Obviously there are two distinct persons referred to. The rest of the references are also referring to YHWH as Jesus' God. (See Heb.1:8,9) "That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation..." Verse 8 is a bad interpretation of Psalm 45. It should read: "God is your throne forever and ever..." Meaning that God, YHWH, is the source of the Son's power and authority.MissKate13 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:06 pmThe name above all names is “The Lord Jesus Christ.”Wootah wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:49 am.Philippians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
What is the name above all names?
The Lord Jesus Christ is YHWH.
Joel 2:32
“And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved;”
Romans 10:13
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Paul is referring to Jesus as "Lord" in Rom 10:13. This is beyond doubt; and the fact that he quotes an OT text referring to YHWH and applies it to Jesus shows clearly what he thinks of the status of Jesus.
This is not the first time where OT passages that refer to YHWH in the OT are applied to Jesus in the NT:
Heb 1:6 quotes Deut 32:43
Heb 1:8, 9 quotes Ps 45:6, 7
Heb 1:10-12 quotes Ps 102:25-27 (LXX)
Phil 2:10, 11 quotes Isa 45:23
Matt 3:3 (cf V11) quotes Isa 40:3
In the OT, YHWH is referred to as Savior, first and last, Lord of Lords. These same names are applied to Jesus in the NT.
"The more probable translation is 'God is your throne...' This translation is found in the NWT and the footnotes of the NRSV and TEV. Three giants of modern New Testament scholarship, Westcott, Moffatt, and Goodspeed, came to the same conclusion independently. The fact is, if this verse were quoted in the NT in reference to anyone else, the translators would have not hesitated to translate it as 'God is your throne...' It seems likely that it is only because most translations were made by people who already believe that Jesus is God that the less probable way of translating this verse has been preferred." (See Truth in Translation, by Jason BeDuhn, pages 97-101)
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