What Fraction of People Will Make it to Heaven?

[jgh7]

I've read in the bible that many will not enter the gates of Heaven. I was wondering what others think about this statistically speaking. So that's what this poll is for. If you have some verses or ideas backing up your opinion, feel free to give them.

[MuffMaYne]

[Replying to post 1 by jgh7]

Who can say what kind of personal relationship a person had with God? 10% 1% who knows?

[Benoni]

[Replying to MuffMaYne]

So you are saying God created the whole world and made people in His image and likeness and He cannot save them all? I did not know Jesus blood is so weak and helpless.

[MuffMaYne]

[Replying to post 102 by Benoni]

Not sure how you made that assessment from what I said. All I did was answer the question. You cant know how many will be saved. Theres no way to put percentages on it.

[Benoni]

[Replying to MuffMaYne]

I just do not believe in a weak and powerless Jesus. besides what does God's Word say?

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Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouths)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)


Acts 15:14 Declares that he will return again and restore the Tabernacle of David and then he will save the remainder of mankind


Luke 3: 6 (amp) And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God
(the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).


Act 3:21Whom the heaven must receive until the times[aions] of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Or perhaps this one,


Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever[aions of the aions].





Isa 45:23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.


Ro 14:11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Php2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father.
There's just too many to pick from.




Jer.31
The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD . 33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD ,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD . "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."




"I WILL pour out My Spirit upon all flesh." (Joel 2:28).
"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts 2:39).

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouths)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.

1 Corinthians 15:22-24

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Luke 2:10 (King James Version)
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy,which shall be to all people.

[MuffMaYne]

[Replying to post 104 by Benoni]

Matt 23:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."


I don't think anyone who believes believes in a weak and powerless Jesus, but its made clear many people will be damned. Everyone is offered grace and mercy, but not everyone accepts it.

[Benoni]

[Replying to post 104 by Benoni]

Matt 23:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."


I don't think anyone who believes believes in a weak and powerless Jesus, but its made clear many people will be damned. Everyone is offered grace and mercy, but not everyone accepts it.

This verse is speaking of God's elect not the loss. Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'

Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this
Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,
Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord" even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,
Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' "(Amos 9:11,12)
Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing , all the Gentiles , the remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.

[Benoni]

[Replying to post 106 by Benoni]

God has many ages to call those he has not called yet. Amos 9:1 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
13Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

[Left Site]

First, let's establish the fact that there is a scriptural difference between a king and a prince

Well we know Jesus is called both a "king" and a "Prince". Revelation speaks of individuals ruling with Jesus as kings.

2 Chronicles 36: 18 And all the utensils, great and small, of the house of the [true] God and the treasures of the house of Jehovah and the treasures of the king and of his princes, everything he brought to Babylon.

When Jesus is called the "Prince of Peace" this is a play on the idea of a prince in the service of a king. There "Peace" is as the king whom Jesus serves as it's prince.

However, the angel appointed over God's people Israel was referred to as a prince. So long before Jesus was a king he was a prince.

Joshua 5: 13-15
13 And it came about when Joshua happened to be by Jeri-cho that he proceeded to raise his eyes and look, and there there was a man standing in front of him with his drawn sword in his hand. So Joshua walked up to
him and said to him: Are you for us or for our adversaries?
14 To this he said: No, but I"as prince of the army of Jehovah I have now come. With that Joshua fell on his face to the earth and prostrated himself and said to him: What is my lord saying to his servant?
15 In turn the prince of the army of Jehovah said to Joshua: Draw
your sandals from off your feet, because the place on which you are standing is holy. At once Joshua did so.

REVELATION 20:6
Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but[they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.

Thus the great multitude are not kings like the 144,000 who represent Christ's rulership to the people.

That said, there is indeed a distinction made in scripture between the two groups (the 144,000 and the "great multitude" (great crowd) mentioned in Revelation 7:9.

I didn't mean the entire great crowd serve as those princes in all the earth but that those princes are selected from that great crowd in fulfilment of Psalms 45: 16 "In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth."

Those who are kings with Christ are called his "brethren" or "brothers" (Romans 8: 29). But he has sons through them whom he appoints as princes in the earth. After all, his brethren are one body with him.

[Left Site]

Referencing back to my posts 99 and 108, whether we are a brother of Christ or a son, there is no partiality.

Sons have the traits of their fathers. If the father is immortal so also the son.

Immortality is badly mistaken for a manufactured mythical idea of total self sustaining, and that idea is pure garbage unsupportable in scripture. Nothing can exist but that God holds it in existence. It always was and always will be that way.

Immortality is nothing more than God's oath given to perfect faithfulness, that the person who is perfect in faithfulness to God shall never die. And that is called, "eternal life" or "everlasting life."

Again I say, no one can prove otherwise in scripture.

[JehovahsWitness]

That said, there is indeed a distinction made in scripture between the two groups (the 144,000 and the "great multitude" (great crowd) mentioned in Revelation 7:9.

I didn't mean the entire great crowd serve as those princes in all the earth but that those princes are selected from that great crowd ...

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that there will be some selected from the Great Crowd living on earth to work in an administrative capacity

Those who are kings with Christ are called his "brethren" or "brothers" (Romans 8: 29).

Jehovah's Witnesses believe there is a distinction between the destiny of those called "Christ's brothers" (144,000 future kings) and the Great Crowd mentioned in Revelation 7:9. While all are faithful, only the 144,000 (Christ's brothers) will rule as kings with Jesus.

Also see Matthew 25