Jehovah’s Witnesses only ones that will be saved?????

[Donray]

Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. God chooses these 144,000 individuals, the process began with the first century Christians and was completed in the year 1935. Of course from 1879 (the year the Watchtower started) till 1935 only faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses were chosen for this special role. All faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses not chosen to be among the 144,000 elite that go to heaven (those joining the Watchtower after 1935) will spend eternity on earth. All other people on the earth will be destroyed at war of Armageddon here on earth. This would also include any Jehovah's Witnesses who has been disfellowshipped or is otherwise unfaithful to the Watchtower and has not worked his or her way back into the good graces of the Watchtower by the time of Armageddon.

If one believes the JWs all other Christians and everyone that is not a JW will not go to heaven or live on the Earth after Armageddon.

Question for debate is JW the only true Christin religion or is it some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

So we both agree that 144,000 represents a small minority. We just disagree what that small minority is in relation to.

Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Thanks for the discussion - its been helpful to understand a little better what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

Ditto.


Peace,

JW

[Donray]

I can't quit figure out what are the beliefs for a true Christian?

Evidently you don't need to believe in the trinity to be a good Christian (one that will get to an afterlife).

One can worship Jesus as God or as a separate deity (demigod, son of a god) or a man.

One can believe that heaven will be on Earth or someplace else either physical or spiritual or a combination of both.

One does not need to eat and drink of Jesus body.

One does not need to be Baptized.

The only thing a Christin needs to believe is that Jesus was killed for our sins and that there is some type of afterlife. Believing in an afterlife in the most important belief.

[onewithhim]

I can't quit figure out what are the beliefs for a true Christian?

Evidently you don't need to believe in the trinity to be a good Christian (one that will get to an afterlife).

One can worship Jesus as God or as a separate deity (demigod, son of a god) or a man.

One can believe that heaven will be on Earth or someplace else either physical or spiritual or a combination of both.

One does not need to eat and drink of Jesus body.

One does not need to be Baptized.

The only thing a Christin needs to believe is that Jesus was killed for our sins and that there is some type of afterlife. Believing in an afterlife in the most important belief.

Some beliefs of a true Christian are stated in post # 10. Would respond to that post?

[Donray]

[Replying to post 113 by onewithhim]

Your post 10 says nothing bout what a good Christin must believe as far as the dogma and practices of the versus Christin religions.

Second you don't seem to be able to state things without bible quotes. Just list in simple sentences what is need to be a true Christian. I already covered that belief in the trinity is not required. Worship of one god is not required since WJs treat Jesus as a demigod and therefore have at least two gods. Anyone that thinks Jesus was the son of God but not God as the trinity implies is worshipping two gods. God and Jesus the demigod.

So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christin?

Don't give me bible versus just use your own thoughts unless you don't have any of your own and need to quote the bible for all your thoughts.

[JehovahsWitness]

Don't give me bible versus just use your own thoughts unless you don't have any of your own and need to quote the bible for all your thoughts.

One requirement we believe is to always use the bible as the authority for what we say. A Christian follows the lead set out by Christ and Jesus constantly quoted scripture (see John 17:17; Matthew 4:4). We try to be just like him.

JOHN 5:30
"I can do nothing on My own initiative" - Jesus Christ

JW

[Donray]

Don't give me bible versus just use your own thoughts unless you don't have any of your own and need to quote the bible for all your thoughts.

One requirement we believe is to always use the bible as the authority for what we say. A Christian follows the lead set out by Christ and Jesus constantly quoted scripture (see John 17:17; Matthew 4:4). We try to be just like him.

JOHN 5:30
"I can do nothing on My own initiative" - Jesus Christ

JW

Except not all Christians use the bible like you do and therefore this not a requirement for being a good Christian.
I guess you failed to understand that I wanted the common denominator of beliefs of ALL good Christians. You are just telling be what a small minority of Christians the JWs believe.

If you saying only the JWs are good Christians then come out and say all other Christian religion are false religions.

[JehovahsWitness]

I guess you failed to understand that I wanted the common denominator of beliefs of ALL good Christians.

okay fair enough, I thought when you said ...

So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christi[a]n?

That you were asking what the bible indicates a Christian should do/believe, so I pointed out one basic requirement.

My bad, carry on ...

JW

[2timothy316]

I guess you failed to understand that I wanted the common denominator of beliefs of ALL good Christians.

okay fair enough, I thought when you said ...

So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christi[a]n?

That you were asking what the bible indicates a Christian should do/believe, so I pointed out one basic requirement.

My bad, carry on ...

JW

Asking what makes for a good Christian but then limiting a person's response to their own opinions and not the Bible; is like like asking a contractor how high a building will be but then demanding him not to look at the blueprints. It's not that the contractor can't think on his own, but that he wants to give a correct answer as the building is not his design. So why look to a person's opinion for what God expects from people? lol

[Donray]

I guess you failed to understand that I wanted the common denominator of beliefs of ALL good Christians.

okay fair enough, I thought when you said ...

So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christi[a]n?

That you were asking what the bible indicates a Christian should do/believe, so I pointed out one basic requirement.

My bad, carry on ...

JW

Asking what makes for a good Christian but then limiting a person's response to their own opinions and not the Bible; is like like asking a contractor how high a building will be but then demanding him not to look at the blueprints. It's not that the contractor can't think on his own, but that he wants to give a correct answer as the building is not his design. So why look to a person's opinion for what God expects from people? lol

You are wrong. All one needs to do is take all the thousands of Christin religions and find the common denominator.

For example, the JWs do not believe in the trinity and worship two deities. If this is true than almost all Christians are not good Christians because they believe in the trinity. Therefore either the JWs are the only true Christians or they are a fake cult.

If you want to use bible go ahead, but don't quote. Lets use the bible and say that ALL Christians must believe in all the commandments in the bible. There are hundreds of commandments. Is this true that ALL good Christians follow ALL the commandments in the bible? In my opinion I don't any do. Therefore you need to specify exactly what commandments must be followed to be a good Christin.

Another example must a good Christin be baptized? If so when? Does the bible specify this? If so why do Christians not all accept what the bible says.

[catnip]

Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. God chooses these 144,000 individuals, the process began with the first century Christians and was completed in the year 1935. Of course from 1879 (the year the Watchtower started) till 1935 only faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses were chosen for this special role. All faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses not chosen to be among the 144,000 elite that go to heaven (those joining the Watchtower after 1935) will spend eternity on earth. All other people on the earth will be destroyed at war of Armageddon here on earth. This would also include any Jehovah's Witnesses who has been disfellowshipped or is otherwise unfaithful to the Watchtower and has not worked his or her way back into the good graces of the Watchtower by the time of Armageddon.

If one believes the JWs all other Christians and everyone that is not a JW will not go to heaven or live on the Earth after Armageddon.

Question for debate is JW the only true Christin religion or is it some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

Okay. I have said before there is not one church that teaches everything right, no denomination where the promise is realized--but God always comes down and so in every corner of Christendom there are those who call on him that ascend into the heavenly realm.

Being a "true Christian" means becoming a spiritual person and living in the light of God--fully aware of the Holy Spirit (daily bread) and doing the will of God.

It is not knowing about God. It actually requires very little knowledge. It was possible before the printing press was invented and owning a personal Bible was impossible. In the early church there were whole churches that did not have even one copy of one Gospel.

It is so simple that the innocence of a child is used as an example.

Satan quotes the scriptures.

Jesus said (and heaven only knows how this verse is twisted these days):
You study the scriptures diligently believing that in them you have eternal life, but you refuse to come to me for that life.
(note that he says, "come to me" and not "believe that I died for your sin.")

If you go to your room and close the door to pray and your heavenly Father sees what you do in secret he will come to you. (It is more in practice than it is in knowing the scriptures, boasting or praying publicly and loudly making a show of your religion.)