Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?

[Topaz27]

I know a bunch of Christians, and so many of them believe that Noah's Ark is a myth. Basically just a story to teach morals and lessons. I personally see a lot of things wrong with the story of the flood. So I was wondering, if anyone believes the story of Noah's Ark, and the world flood, to be the truth?

[Eloi]

Topaz27, I can say this: the Bible does not answer all our questions ... but it surely gives us a very important point: the very same God who brought the Flood will clean our planet again.

Luk. 17:26Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man: 27they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage, until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all. (...) 30The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.

I know, it has nothing to do with your new questions, but it is something that I would like to tell about what Jesus said, and it is also related with the Flood ... As I said before there are some answers back in this thread that may be related with that you want to know.

I guess you know, at this point, why some Christians believe the Bible talks about the Flood as a real event. The future similar event is another belief based on what the Bible teaches, and it says how to survive it.

I guess there will be others answering your questions somehow.

[Topaz27]

Just because Jesus said something doesn't make it true, but that is a whole different argument. I personally can't wait for the flood to happen. Satan seems like a pretty chill guy. I'm pretty sure he would appreciate who don't believe in God.

But on a serious note. If you can't disprove my argument, the I truly hope that you critically think about your world view.

[Diagoras]

It seems to me that the biblical story of the Flood garners more than its fair share of debate across the various sub-forums. This debate (below) in the Science forum is well over 100 pages long and still going strong:

viewtopic.php?t=10977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

As written in the bible, the passages in Genesis that describe the world before the flood, Noahs preparations, the subsequent deluge and aftermath of the event do not - by any stretch - satisfy a modern scientific investigation, given what we know of biological diversity, geology, etc. However, theres plenty enough room to fill in the blanks with all manner of reasons why the story could be true - but only if you really want it to be so. No matter the dietary requirements of the lions and elephants on board, seaworthiness of the ark, effectiveness of the whole divine genocidal enterprise or any other problem thats suggested, it still stands (floats?) in some peoples minds, as long as they can convince themselves that it could work.

Im unsure why this particular story is clung to so strongly, when other passages in the bible are willingly taken as figuratively. Perhaps because its well-known and probably the most popular taught story in Sunday School from a young age? Who knows? All I would suggest to those who still believe in the story of Noah and the Flood is to take courage from 1 Corinthians 13:11:

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

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[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 99 by JehovahsWitness]

I can. As I've already pointed out, the occupants stayed on the ark for over a year. That's more than twice the 6 months you used in your calculation.


Tcg

I partially agree. I see 40 plus 150 plus 150.

[brianbbs67]

Just because Jesus said something doesn't make it true, but that is a whole different argument. I personally can't wait for the flood to happen. Satan seems like a pretty chill guy. I'm pretty sure he would appreciate who don't believe in God.

But on a serious note. If you can't disprove my argument, the I truly hope that you critically think about your world view.

Unfortunately, Ha' Satan actually works for God. He has a job to tempt and mislead but in the end serves God.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 99 by JehovahsWitness]

I can. As I've already pointed out, the occupants stayed on the ark for over a year. That's more than twice the 6 months you used in your calculation.


Tcg

I partially agree. I see 40 plus 150 plus 150.

This calculation is based on the following texts from Genesis:

• Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noahs life, on the seventeenth day of the second month"on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
  
  Genesis 8:13 By the first day of the first month of Noahs six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. 14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry. 15 Then God said to Noah, 16 Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives.

From the seventeenth day of the second month of Noah's 600th year to the twenty-seventh day of the second month of Noah's 601st year would be one year and ten days.


Tcg

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 99 by JehovahsWitness]

I can. As I've already pointed out, the occupants stayed on the ark for over a year. That's more than twice the 6 months you used in your calculation.


Tcg

I partially agree. I see 40 plus 150 plus 150.

This calculation is based on the following texts from Genesis:

• Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noahs life, on the seventeenth day of the second month"on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
  
  Genesis 8:13 By the first day of the first month of Noahs six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. 14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry. 15 Then God said to Noah, 16 Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives.

From the seventeenth day of the second month of Noah's 600th year to the twenty-seventh day of the second month of Noah's 601st year would be one year and ten days.


Tcg

I see you have discovered what I did too. I just wanted it said. Thanks and peace to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes they were aboard one year and 10 days... So

According to you Noah was at sea for [strike]150 days[/strike] [ a year]. That's at least 30,000 pounds of food for just one of the elephants.

I don't know to what extent they could have grown food on-board but I'm sure they could have grown some, as for storage, ...



taking hay as an example....

How much storage area is required for hay?

Baled hay requires approximately 250 cubic feet of storage space per ton of hay. An 1,100-pound horse eating 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent of its body weight per day in hay would eat 16.5 to 22.0 pounds per day, or in one year about 3 to 4 tons (100-120 bales of hay). Four tons of hay require 1,000 cubic feet of space or a storage area roughly 9 feet high and 11 feet x 11 feet (9 x 11 x 11). In other words, a horse fed hay all year would require roughly an area the size of a box stall to store one years supply of hay.
Source: https://horses.extension.org/how-much-s ... d-for-hay/

I hate maths can you (or somebody) correct my maths if it's wrong.

22 Ibs/day = 1000 sq ft storage for a year

Elephant eats 10 times that amount a day, so 1,000 x 10 = 10, 000 sq ft for a year feed (minimum)
X2 elephants 20, 000 sq feet. of storage space


JW



NOTE The ark is estimated to have been able to carry support a maximum weight of 50 million kilos.
https://physicsworld.com/a/how-much-wei ... k-support/

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 99 by JehovahsWitness]

I can. As I've already pointed out, the occupants stayed on the ark for over a year. That's more than twice the 6 months you used in your calculation.


Tcg

I partially agree. I see 40 plus 150 plus 150.

This calculation is based on the following texts from Genesis:

• Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noahs life, on the seventeenth day of the second month"on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
  
  Genesis 8:13 By the first day of the first month of Noahs six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. 14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry. 15 Then God said to Noah, 16 Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives.

From the seventeenth day of the second month of Noah's 600th year to the twenty-seventh day of the second month of Noah's 601st year would be one year and ten days.


Tcg

I see you have discovered what I did too. I just wanted it said. Thanks and peace to you.

Thank-you for asking! I was hoping somebody would.


Tcg

[Tcg]

How much storage area is required for hay?

Baled hay requires approximately 250 cubic feet of storage space per ton of hay. An 1,100-pound horse eating 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent of its body weight per day in hay would eat 16.5 to 22.0 pounds per day, or in one year about 3 to 4 tons (100-120 bales of hay). Four tons of hay require 1,000 cubic feet of space or a storage area roughly 9 feet high and 11 feet x 11 feet (9 x 11 x 11). In other words, a horse fed hay all year would require roughly an area the size of a box stall to store one years supply of hay.
Source: https://horses.extension.org/how-much-s ... d-for-hay/

I hate maths can you (or somebody) correct my maths if it's wrong.

22 Ibs/day = 1000 sq ft storage for a year

Elephant eats 10 times that amount a day, so 1,000 x 10 = 10, 000 sq ft for a year feed (minimum)
X2 elephants 20, 000 sq feet. of storage space


JW

Your estimate of how much elephants eat in a day is on the low end:

• Since elephants are so large, they require an enormous amount of food. Elephants may spend 12-18 hours a day feeding. Adult elephants can eat between 200-600 pounds of food a day. As herbivores, elephants consume grasses, tree foliage, bark, twigs, and other vegetation daily. Elephants can also drink up to 50 gallons of water a day about as much as a standard bathtub holds.
  
  http://www.nationalelephantcenter.org/learn/

600 pounds of food a day would be roughly 30 times as much as a horse eats.

Elephants can eat 30 times that amount a day, so 1,000 x 30 = 30, 000 sq ft for a year feed.
X2 elephants 60,000 sq ft of storage space

If elephants were consider clean animals, this estimate would increase seven fold.


Tcg