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Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

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Isaiah 45
22 “Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.
23 By myself I have sworn,
my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear.
24 They will say of me, ‘In the Lord alone
are deliverance and strength.’”
All who have raged against him
will come to him and be put to shame.
25 But all the descendants of Israel
will find deliverance in the Lord
and will make their boast in him.


Philippians 2:10-11
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10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Is every knee meant to bow to God or to Jesus or is this evidence Jesus is God?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

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Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 4:40 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 3:57 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 4:08 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 6:34 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:00 am

Only that the rendering of the Westcott and Hort's are supported by the oldest manuscripts that contained almost all the book of John, the papyrus 66, and papyrus 75. The rest are later manuscripts that varied from them.
It's just interesting that sometimes you say that the oldest mss are the correct ones, and then at other times you say that the most recent mss are the correct ones.
The oldest manuscripts as for me have less copyist mistakes.
While recent ones especially that falls in the hands of with the habits of adding words to the originals or changing the original Bible words would misled everyone.
How do you know that the most recent mss have more copyist mistakes?
Do you believe what KJV 1John 5:7 says?
Make your point, Capbook, and then I can decide what I believe in relation to that.

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Re: Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

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onewithhim wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 1:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 4:40 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 3:57 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 4:08 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 6:34 pm
It's just interesting that sometimes you say that the oldest mss are the correct ones, and then at other times you say that the most recent mss are the correct ones.
The oldest manuscripts as for me have less copyist mistakes.
While recent ones especially that falls in the hands of with the habits of adding words to the originals or changing the original Bible words would misled everyone.
How do you know that the most recent mss have more copyist mistakes?
Do you believe what KJV 1John 5:7 says?
Make your point, Capbook, and then I can decide what I believe in relation to that.
You don't have KJV? Below is the text I am referring to, to your question I colored blue above.
Now, the question is, do you believe what the verse said so?

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV

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Re: Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

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Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 7:25 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 1:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 4:40 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 3:57 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 4:08 am

The oldest manuscripts as for me have less copyist mistakes.
While recent ones especially that falls in the hands of with the habits of adding words to the originals or changing the original Bible words would misled everyone.
How do you know that the most recent mss have more copyist mistakes?
Do you believe what KJV 1John 5:7 says?
Make your point, Capbook, and then I can decide what I believe in relation to that.
You don't have KJV? Below is the text I am referring to, to your question I colored blue above.
Now, the question is, do you believe what the verse said so?

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
Those words were ADDED in later mss. So if you want to go with the truthfulness of the verse, you would go to earlier mss which didn't have those words. The verse should read: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." There's nothing that refers to them as God. (verses 7 and 8)

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onewithhim wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 1:31 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 7:25 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 1:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 4:40 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu May 08, 2025 3:57 pm
How do you know that the most recent mss have more copyist mistakes?
Do you believe what KJV 1John 5:7 says?
Make your point, Capbook, and then I can decide what I believe in relation to that.
You don't have KJV? Below is the text I am referring to, to your question I colored blue above.
Now, the question is, do you believe what the verse said so?

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
Those words were ADDED in later mss. So if you want to go with the truthfulness of the verse, you would go to earlier mss which didn't have those words. The verse should read: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." There's nothing that refers to them as God. (verses 7 and 8)
So, now you would prefer older manuscripts?
Just like the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75.

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Re: Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

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Capbook wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 4:05 am
onewithhim wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 1:31 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 7:25 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 1:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 4:40 am

Do you believe what KJV 1John 5:7 says?
Make your point, Capbook, and then I can decide what I believe in relation to that.
You don't have KJV? Below is the text I am referring to, to your question I colored blue above.
Now, the question is, do you believe what the verse said so?

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
Those words were ADDED in later mss. So if you want to go with the truthfulness of the verse, you would go to earlier mss which didn't have those words. The verse should read: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." There's nothing that refers to them as God. (verses 7 and 8)
So, now you would prefer older manuscripts?
Just like the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75.
Am I wrong to think that you yourself have posted that the older mss are more reliable? I believe I read that in the recent past.

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Re: Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

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onewithhim wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 9:14 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 4:05 am
onewithhim wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 1:31 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 7:25 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 1:48 pm
Make your point, Capbook, and then I can decide what I believe in relation to that.
You don't have KJV? Below is the text I am referring to, to your question I colored blue above.
Now, the question is, do you believe what the verse said so?

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
Those words were ADDED in later mss. So if you want to go with the truthfulness of the verse, you would go to earlier mss which didn't have those words. The verse should read: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." There's nothing that refers to them as God. (verses 7 and 8)
So, now you would prefer older manuscripts?
Just like the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75.
Am I wrong to think that you yourself have posted that the older mss are more reliable? I believe I read that in the recent past.
Yes, that's my point.
And it did support Jesus as "the only-begotten God" in John 1:18.

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