To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".
Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?
What does the atonement do or does not do?
What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?
What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?
Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?
I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.
Kind regards,
RW
The Atonement
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1131It accomplished remission of sins which is Justification !2
Its good to consider a very important aspect of this matter of remission of sins due to the shed blood of Christ, the Blood of the New Covenant / Testament Matt 26:28 !
We should understand that this Covenant forgiveness through His Blood is the same as here Jer 31:33-34
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Thats the same as the remission of sins in Matt 26:28 , its also the same testament or covenant in view !
The same here Mic 7:18-20
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
This Vs 20 here is the same as that Promised Mercy of Lk 1:72,77
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
And of course Christ's Blood is shed accordng to that Holy Covenant, for the remission of sins Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
See how all this fits together ? 37
Its good to consider a very important aspect of this matter of remission of sins due to the shed blood of Christ, the Blood of the New Covenant / Testament Matt 26:28 !
We should understand that this Covenant forgiveness through His Blood is the same as here Jer 31:33-34
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Thats the same as the remission of sins in Matt 26:28 , its also the same testament or covenant in view !
The same here Mic 7:18-20
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
This Vs 20 here is the same as that Promised Mercy of Lk 1:72,77
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
And of course Christ's Blood is shed accordng to that Holy Covenant, for the remission of sins Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
See how all this fits together ? 37
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1133Reconciliation to God experimentally also !
Not only did by Christ's Death alone, those He died for were reconciled to God[legally] even while they were being enemies [experimentally] so says Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
They also are reconciled to God experimentally by His same death, meaning reconciled out of being enemies to Him, So says this scripture Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
You see that ? Paul tells them HOW it was done ! How they were reconciled after having been alienated and enemies in their minds by wicked works, It was in the Body of His flesh through death, meaning through His Death for them, the results is reconciliation out of being enemies and alienated in our minds by wicked works !
So Christ's Death alone accomplished both Legal and Experimental Reconciliation for the People of God, whom Christ died for !
Not only did by Christ's Death alone, those He died for were reconciled to God[legally] even while they were being enemies [experimentally] so says Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
They also are reconciled to God experimentally by His same death, meaning reconciled out of being enemies to Him, So says this scripture Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
You see that ? Paul tells them HOW it was done ! How they were reconciled after having been alienated and enemies in their minds by wicked works, It was in the Body of His flesh through death, meaning through His Death for them, the results is reconciliation out of being enemies and alienated in our minds by wicked works !
So Christ's Death alone accomplished both Legal and Experimental Reconciliation for the People of God, whom Christ died for !
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1136All men drawn by virtue of Christ's Death ! 2
For its the Day of Christ's Power Ps 110:3
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Thats what Christ is speaking of in Jn 12:32 , that all His People He died for Matt 1:21 shall be attracted to Him in the Day of His Power !
Now the word all has been a stumblingblock to many in false religion, they force it to mean " every individual without exception ", yet that is a lie. The word all is the greek word pas, which means more often than not, all of the whole, or all of every kind; It means all in the sense 0f each [every] part that applies; The emphais of the total picture then is on one piece at a time, all the parts that constitute the whole, that is to view the whole in terms of invidual parts.
Now for instance, He will draw all of His Sheep to Himself until they all constitute His One whole Sheepfold ! Jn 10:3-4,16
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name[singular one by one], and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one [whole sheepfold], and one shepherd.
Now we know all men without exception are not Christs Sheep or of His Sheepfold Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 38
For its the Day of Christ's Power Ps 110:3
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Thats what Christ is speaking of in Jn 12:32 , that all His People He died for Matt 1:21 shall be attracted to Him in the Day of His Power !
Now the word all has been a stumblingblock to many in false religion, they force it to mean " every individual without exception ", yet that is a lie. The word all is the greek word pas, which means more often than not, all of the whole, or all of every kind; It means all in the sense 0f each [every] part that applies; The emphais of the total picture then is on one piece at a time, all the parts that constitute the whole, that is to view the whole in terms of invidual parts.
Now for instance, He will draw all of His Sheep to Himself until they all constitute His One whole Sheepfold ! Jn 10:3-4,16
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name[singular one by one], and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one [whole sheepfold], and one shepherd.
Now we know all men without exception are not Christs Sheep or of His Sheepfold Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 38
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1138All men drawn by virtue of Christ's Death ! 4
Now the underlying reason for those all Sheep, or Children of God to be drawn to Christ, it is because they have been predestinated to the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ to Himself Eph 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Jn 11:52
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Now the underlying reason for those all Sheep, or Children of God to be drawn to Christ, it is because they have been predestinated to the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ to Himself Eph 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Jn 11:52
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1139By His stripes we were healed !
1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Listen, by His [meaning his death] we were healed ! If there is any scripture that is an Testimony of the Saving effects of the Death of Christ alone, its this one above !
The word healed iaomai means:
I.to cure, heal
II.to make whole
A.to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
So the word is also synonymous with saved, thats why its stated to mean "to bring about or effects one's salvation"
Jer 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.
Now we derive from our text that the healing that took place by His stripes, it effected " our death to sin "
Thats why Peter could say " we being dead to sin "
This includes the fact that sin cannot never be imputed or charged to anyone Christ died for !
They are dead to any condemnation of sin against them !
They are dead to its power as it cannot reign in them !
It[His Death] not only made us dead to sin, but also effected our" living unto righteousness"
In other words, the healing results of Christ's death or stripes is #1 We become dead to sin and #2 Live unto righteousness, which is but another way of saying to live by Faith, or the Righteousness of Faith Rom 1:17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 4:11,13
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 9:30
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Phil 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Heb 11:7
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
We Live unto Righteousness when we are living by Faith, believing that Christ before God, is Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
This Righteousness is then revealed to us by the Gospel in order to Live by Faith Rom 1:16-17 !
Now John writes of doing Righteousness 1 Jn 3:7
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
That means living by Faith feeding upon the Righteousness of Christ imputed to our charge. So doing and Living righteous is being able by the Spirit of God, to rest in Christ as our One and Only Righteousness before God,
And that rest will come as a result of Christ's stripes healing us ! 38
1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Listen, by His [meaning his death] we were healed ! If there is any scripture that is an Testimony of the Saving effects of the Death of Christ alone, its this one above !
The word healed iaomai means:
I.to cure, heal
II.to make whole
A.to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
So the word is also synonymous with saved, thats why its stated to mean "to bring about or effects one's salvation"
Jer 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.
Now we derive from our text that the healing that took place by His stripes, it effected " our death to sin "
Thats why Peter could say " we being dead to sin "
This includes the fact that sin cannot never be imputed or charged to anyone Christ died for !
They are dead to any condemnation of sin against them !
They are dead to its power as it cannot reign in them !
It[His Death] not only made us dead to sin, but also effected our" living unto righteousness"
In other words, the healing results of Christ's death or stripes is #1 We become dead to sin and #2 Live unto righteousness, which is but another way of saying to live by Faith, or the Righteousness of Faith Rom 1:17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 4:11,13
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 9:30
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Phil 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Heb 11:7
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
We Live unto Righteousness when we are living by Faith, believing that Christ before God, is Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
This Righteousness is then revealed to us by the Gospel in order to Live by Faith Rom 1:16-17 !
Now John writes of doing Righteousness 1 Jn 3:7
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
That means living by Faith feeding upon the Righteousness of Christ imputed to our charge. So doing and Living righteous is being able by the Spirit of God, to rest in Christ as our One and Only Righteousness before God,
And that rest will come as a result of Christ's stripes healing us ! 38
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1140Ensures the hearing of Faith !
The Death of Christ, for all whom He died, ensures unto them the Hearing of Faith ! This is True because its promised that the Just shall live by Faith Rom 1:17
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The word shall in divine matters tells us that it has been predestined by God to happen !
Now who are the Just that shall live by Faith ? Its all for whom Christ by His Obedience of one shall make Righteous Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
That word righteous is the same greek word for Just in Rom 1:17 , hence all for whom Christ's obedience / death shall make Righteous or Just, shall Live by Faith !
So therefore His Death ensures the Hearing of Faith, because Faith comes by Hearing Rom 10:17 !
Now , Jesus who specifically stated that He lays down His Life for His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 goes on to say that they [ the Sheep He lays down His Life for] shall hear His voice Jn 10:16,27
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear[hearing of faith] my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
27 My sheep hear[hearing of faith] my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Again this is the Hearing of Faith as in Rom 10:17 and Gal 3:2,5
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Again Jn 10:16 ensures this hearing of Faith or the Hearing of His Voice, the promise is " they shall hear"
That word shall means that it has already been determined that they shall hear His voice.
Jesus also says who it is that hears His voice here Jn 18:37
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Cp with Jn 10:16 !
What is it to be "of the Truth " ? Its to have the Spirit of Truth in Us by New Birth Jn 14:17
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. The Sheep !
This Spirit of Truth enables one to hear and embrace the Truth ! But nevertheless, Christ's Death ensures the Hearing of Faith unto everyone He died, of His Sheep !
The Death of Christ, for all whom He died, ensures unto them the Hearing of Faith ! This is True because its promised that the Just shall live by Faith Rom 1:17
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The word shall in divine matters tells us that it has been predestined by God to happen !
Now who are the Just that shall live by Faith ? Its all for whom Christ by His Obedience of one shall make Righteous Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
That word righteous is the same greek word for Just in Rom 1:17 , hence all for whom Christ's obedience / death shall make Righteous or Just, shall Live by Faith !
So therefore His Death ensures the Hearing of Faith, because Faith comes by Hearing Rom 10:17 !
Now , Jesus who specifically stated that He lays down His Life for His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 goes on to say that they [ the Sheep He lays down His Life for] shall hear His voice Jn 10:16,27
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear[hearing of faith] my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
27 My sheep hear[hearing of faith] my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Again this is the Hearing of Faith as in Rom 10:17 and Gal 3:2,5
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Again Jn 10:16 ensures this hearing of Faith or the Hearing of His Voice, the promise is " they shall hear"
That word shall means that it has already been determined that they shall hear His voice.
Jesus also says who it is that hears His voice here Jn 18:37
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Cp with Jn 10:16 !
What is it to be "of the Truth " ? Its to have the Spirit of Truth in Us by New Birth Jn 14:17
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. The Sheep !
This Spirit of Truth enables one to hear and embrace the Truth ! But nevertheless, Christ's Death ensures the Hearing of Faith unto everyone He died, of His Sheep !
