Jehovah’s Witnesses only ones that will be saved?????

[Donray]

Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. God chooses these 144,000 individuals, the process began with the first century Christians and was completed in the year 1935. Of course from 1879 (the year the Watchtower started) till 1935 only faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses were chosen for this special role. All faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses not chosen to be among the 144,000 elite that go to heaven (those joining the Watchtower after 1935) will spend eternity on earth. All other people on the earth will be destroyed at war of Armageddon here on earth. This would also include any Jehovah's Witnesses who has been disfellowshipped or is otherwise unfaithful to the Watchtower and has not worked his or her way back into the good graces of the Watchtower by the time of Armageddon.

If one believes the JWs all other Christians and everyone that is not a JW will not go to heaven or live on the Earth after Armageddon.

Question for debate is JW the only true Christin religion or is it some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

[JehovahsWitness]

You are wrong. All one needs to do is take all the thousands of Christin religions and find the common denominator.

Truth is not subject to a majority vote; when everyone believed the world was flat was it? When the majority of people called out for Jesus to be executed as a criminal, were they right? Truth is absolute and remains so even if one person believes it an everybody else doesn't. Only 7 people were saved when God sent a global deluge, that shows how He feels about "common denominators".

Jesus said not everyone that accepts him as their Lord will be accepted by him, indeed Jesus predicted his followers would be hated and persecuted at no point did he tell them they would be in the majority; indeed one first century observer noted regarding the followers of Christ

"As concerning this sect, we know that everywhere it is spoken against" (Acts 28:22)

JW

[JehovahsWitness]

If you want to use bible go ahead, but don't quote.

Well I for one will quote the bible as much as I want. As long as forum guidelines are not violated, I will refer to scriptures if and when I feel is appropriate. Feel free not to read my posts.

Lets use the bible and say that ALL Christians must believe in all the commandments in the bible. There are hundreds of commandments. Is this true that ALL good Christians follow ALL the commandments in the bible?

In the Jehovah's Witness view, Christians must respect ALL the laws and principles outlined in the Christian bible. Nobody is perfect of course, and God allows for all of us that transgress to repent and keep on trying to do better but the true Christian congregation, we believe must adhere to Christian law and standards as outlined in the bible.


JW

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 113 by onewithhim]

Your post 10 says nothing bout what a good Christin must believe as far as the dogma and practices of the versus Christin religions.

Second you don't seem to be able to state things without bible quotes. Just list in simple sentences what is need to be a true Christian. I already covered that belief in the trinity is not required. Worship of one god is not required since WJs treat Jesus as a demigod and therefore have at least two gods. Anyone that thinks Jesus was the son of God but not God as the trinity implies is worshipping two gods. God and Jesus the demigod.




So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christin?

Don't give me bible versus just use your own thoughts unless you don't have any of your own and need to quote the bible for all your thoughts.

A JW is d***** if we do and d***** if we don't! You say that we use scriptures too much. Another poster says that we don't support our ideas with scripture! LOL! It really would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. We can't win, no matter what we say or do.

BTW, it is the Trinity Doctrine that purports the existence of THREE GODS. That is polytheism. JWs worship one God, the Father, whom Jesus called "MY GOD." (John 20:17)

[onewithhim]

I guess you failed to understand that I wanted the common denominator of beliefs of ALL good Christians.

okay fair enough, I thought when you said ...

So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christi[a]n?

That you were asking what the bible indicates a Christian should do/believe, so I pointed out one basic requirement.

My bad, carry on ...

JW

And I pointed out three, in my post #10. I guess I misunderstood the OP myself. Oh well.

[Donray]

[Replying to post 113 by onewithhim]

Your post 10 says nothing bout what a good Christin must believe as far as the dogma and practices of the versus Christin religions.

Second you don't seem to be able to state things without bible quotes. Just list in simple sentences what is need to be a true Christian. I already covered that belief in the trinity is not required. Worship of one god is not required since WJs treat Jesus as a demigod and therefore have at least two gods. Anyone that thinks Jesus was the son of God but not God as the trinity implies is worshipping two gods. God and Jesus the demigod.




So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christin?

Don't give me bible versus just use your own thoughts unless you don't have any of your own and need to quote the bible for all your thoughts.

A JW is d***** if we do and d***** if we don't! You say that we use scriptures too much. Another poster says that we don't support our ideas with scripture! LOL! It really would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. We can't win, no matter what we say or do.

BTW, it is the Trinity Doctrine that purports the existence of THREE GODS. That is polytheism. JWs worship one God, the Father, whom Jesus called "MY GOD." (John 20:17)

Didn't say you use the bible to much. I said do you need to quote the bible versus as much as saying in tour own words what you get from it. I understand that the bible is your only source of truth since there are no facts that prove God or Jesus.

For example, there are three stories of where and when Jesus was born put most Christians only use one of the stories to prove that Jesus was born and don't quote all the others that disagree with the one they use.

You and most Christians just use your interpretation of what the passage means anyway that is why there are thousands of Christian religions.

I am honestly trying to figure out what are the real requirements to get an afterlife. What does one need to believe and practice. So far I have from JWs that all the Christians religions are OK and will get you to the afterlife.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 113 by onewithhim]

Your post 10 says nothing bout what a good Christin must believe as far as the dogma and practices of the versus Christin religions.

Second you don't seem to be able to state things without bible quotes. Just list in simple sentences what is need to be a true Christian. I already covered that belief in the trinity is not required. Worship of one god is not required since WJs treat Jesus as a demigod and therefore have at least two gods. Anyone that thinks Jesus was the son of God but not God as the trinity implies is worshipping two gods. God and Jesus the demigod.




So, what are the minimum beliefs to be a good Christin?

Don't give me bible versus just use your own thoughts unless you don't have any of your own and need to quote the bible for all your thoughts.

A JW is d***** if we do and d***** if we don't! You say that we use scriptures too much. Another poster says that we don't support our ideas with scripture! LOL! It really would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. We can't win, no matter what we say or do.

BTW, it is the Trinity Doctrine that purports the existence of THREE GODS. That is polytheism. JWs worship one God, the Father, whom Jesus called "MY GOD." (John 20:17)

Didn't say you use the bible to much. I said do you need to quote the bible versus as much as saying in tour own words what you get from it. I understand that the bible is your only source of truth since there are no facts that prove God or Jesus.

For example, there are three stories of where and when Jesus was born put most Christians only use one of the stories to prove that Jesus was born and don't quote all the others that disagree with the one they use.

You and most Christians just use your interpretation of what the passage means anyway that is why there are thousands of Christian religions.

I am honestly trying to figure out what are the real requirements to get an afterlife. What does one need to believe and practice. So far I have from JWs that all the Christians religions are OK and will get you to the afterlife.

No, that is absolutely not true. I don't think you have been reading what JWs are saying. And, we have been putting in our own words what we believe, and then we cite a scripture. I can't believe that you haven't realized that.

If you are honestly trying to figure out what are the real requirements "to get an afterlife," you would at least comment on my post # 10, for example. I am honestly trying to figure out why you won't.

[Elijah John]

# Are Jehovah's Witnesses some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

I find this question to be inflamatory and insulting. Cults for the most part engage in dangerous and illegal and or anti-social behavior and to suggest that 9 million people do this is unwarranted. Jehovah's Witnesses are generally recognized for being law abiding, family orientated people that make a positive contribution to their communities. IF this question was asked with the pupose of encouraging a frenzy of anti-witness verbal attacks, I feel confident at least on this forum, that that will not happen as the posters here are balanced and respectful in their address.

Jehovah's Witnesses do however consider themselves Christians as they strictly adhere to the teachings of Christ as presented in the bible canon.


JEHOVAHS WITNESS

Also, cults are secretive. Jehovah's Witness, by contrast, are open, honest and welcoming. Their meetings are open to the public.

[Donray]

# Are Jehovah's Witnesses some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

I find this question to be inflamatory and insulting. Cults for the most part engage in dangerous and illegal and or anti-social behavior and to suggest that 9 million people do this is unwarranted. Jehovah's Witnesses are generally recognized for being law abiding, family orientated people that make a positive contribution to their communities. IF this question was asked with the pupose of encouraging a frenzy of anti-witness verbal attacks, I feel confident at least on this forum, that that will not happen as the posters here are balanced and respectful in their address.

Jehovah's Witnesses do however consider themselves Christians as they strictly adhere to the teachings of Christ as presented in the bible canon.


JEHOVAHS WITNESS

Also, cults are secretive. Jehovah's Witness, by contrast, are open, honest and welcoming. Their meetings are open to the public.

You should realy look up the definition of words before you attempt to put your own definition to them.

Full Definition of cult form Merriam Webster
1:  formal religious veneration :  worship
2:  a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also :  its body of adherents
3:  a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also :  its body of adherents
4:  a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5a :  great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially :  such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b :  the object of such devotion
c :  a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Please point where this definition includes secret meetings?

Please point out where JWs don't fit the definition. I thought that JW were religious veneration. The JWs are also unorthodox according to the orthodoxy of the Catholic church. They also have devotion to there founder. i.e. CULT

Are you going to tell me that the JW represents that major orthodoxy of the Christian religion?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 127 by Elijah John]

Yes, EJ, and, also, the accounts books are always open to governmental scrutiny, unlike other churches, e.g., the RCC.

And I don't mean to pick on the RCC only; there are many church organizations that either hide or cook the books. I just finished reading God's Bankers by Gerald Posner, and that's why the RCC is foremost in my mind at the moment.


:pope:

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 128 by Donray]

People don't always use the words as defined in dictionaries - the use of words is fluid, and changes with the times ... ("gay" used to only mean happy) Today, in a religious context most people don't use the word "cult" to mean devout, but in a highly negative way (see dictionary definiton below Merriams-Webster)


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Further if the OP was simply using the word to refer to a religious discipline, then why was it presented in contrast to Christianity which (by that usage) is itself a "cult" ? This would be effectively asking are Jehovah's Witnesses a cult or a cult? Thus I think it was reasonable to conclude that the word "cult" was being used to its negative meaning.