Many Christians consider homosexual practices to be immoral. The forum has multiple threads which include arguments as to whether or not homosexuality should be considered immoral, and even whether this position is supported Biblically.
In this thread, we will take it is a given that homosexuality is immoral.
Under this assumption, what should the response of Christians be to the existence of homosexuality? How should we interact with or treat persons who are homosexuals?
In terms of political society, what sort of laws should Christians support with respect to homosexuality? If there is to be unequal treatment of homosexuals under the law, what is the Biblical basis for this?
Again, arguments concerning the morality of homosexuality are not relevant to the thread. What is relevant is discussion of the possible Christian responses to homosexuality, and what valid rationale there are for these responses.
The Christian Response to Homosexuality
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sue
Post #141
No I don't go to church for three reasons:chachynga wrote:Yeah, but you do submit and understand the true authority it holds and so with God.sue wrote:I don't claim to be Christian.chachynga wrote:But the point is this: why do you sin with men by having sex and claim to be Christian? one of the reasons you cant support the Homosexuals being given just judgement is because of your sins...
Here you even admit:
I found out not too long ago that every relationship I've had since my divorce is construed as "adultery" and if I went to church I'd expect to hear sermons against adultery.
You Found Out
that EVERY relationship
since your divorce is
construed as adultery
you dont go to church because you dont want to hear ?
1.) I'm not a Christian.
2.) I'm skeptical of allowing someone else to interpret the bible or anything else for me, although I will listen to people who don't sound like lunatics.
3.) If your extremist view of homosexuals being executed is representative of the ideas expressed at church, I'm not interested.
Post #142
Dude?
I suggest you start with the Gospel. Every Christian is a New Testament Christian. The redundancy of even having to type that makes me laugh at your desperation to equate "hate, violence, and Christ Jesus," in some kind of bizaare treatment.
Like I "said" you are nothing more than a gay rights activist disrupting discussions about homosexuality. You certainly do not know seem to much about the faith.
You left out the textual support for Christians to kill anyone? Even the swords Jesus told his disciples to go get, did not come with the advice to thrust someone through when being attacked. In fact the deaths of the disciples testify to peacefulness and discarding of violence. You are not going to be much challenge to show you for what you are.1John2_26 wrote:
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1John2_26 wrote:
Hey "Christian" with a gun in your hand?
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chachynga wrote:
. . . you'd have to admit the Homosexuals are worthy of being executed,
Prove that from the New Testament?
It is found in the Bible. The thing in your other hand!!!!
Why just limited to the new, are you just a New Testament Christian?
Like I thought, you're a gay rights fanatic posing (trolling) as to what you think of Christians.
"Christians" aren't in the Old Testament superstar.
Answer my question "dude."
False witnessing I see is your modus!
Again, are you a Christian, and if so, are you a NT only Christian?
Wht reason could you have for not wanting to discuss the OT in relations to the said question.
You should know:
Hebrews
13 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
I Corinthians
6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So either get washed and put on the clothes and mind of Christ, or suffer the punishemnt!
I Timothy
1 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Mark
12 .... Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Jude
1 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
I suggest you start with the Gospel. Every Christian is a New Testament Christian. The redundancy of even having to type that makes me laugh at your desperation to equate "hate, violence, and Christ Jesus," in some kind of bizaare treatment.
Like I "said" you are nothing more than a gay rights activist disrupting discussions about homosexuality. You certainly do not know seem to much about the faith.
Post #143
Expelling a demon can save a life. Maybe even many. Violence is not a good thing. I'm with you there.1John2_26 wrote:
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I draw the line at hate speech, to include demonizing homosexuals,
Why?
Because I'm opposed to actions that usually lead to violence.
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distributing revisionist history anti-gay propaganda,
How about accurate history of same-gender sex? It is dreadful. Nero wasn't exactly a sweetheart. *snip*
I'm not in favor of violent actions that homosexuals have conducted any more than I'm in favor of violent actions that straight rulers have conducted.
Power corrupts.
I wish the people writing pro-gay "hate crimes" legislation, designed to criminalize Christians were more like you.
The Christian Response to Homosexuality has every thing to dowith accurate history.But posting histories of sadistic straight people would be irrelevant to the discussion, as are posting histories of sadistic homosexuals.
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You are absloutely putting words in my posts. Soulforce is a heretical anti-Christian organization that needs to be confronted and fought with prayer and doctrine and Biblical truth. No violence ever. It's not needed to drive away the bad guys and save the lost youth caught up in the movements error and evil.Quote:
. . . or advocating harming or killing them.
No Christian can harm anyone unless it is in self-defense. Jesus did at one point tell His disciples to arm themselves as they would be walking the bad parts of town at night.
So if I'm hearing you correctly, the existence of Soulforce is adequate reason to advocate harming gay people? I just want to make sure I'm not putting words into your mouth.
That wasn't my point. Hating Christians that will not submit to homosexuality being forced on them "is."Quote:
Also calling them disparaging names, like "fag".
Homophobe is a new and insulting invective and epithet. It is used to silence any disapproval or dissent of gay sex.
Feel free to repost anywhere that I've used the word "homophobe".
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In terms of political society, what sort of laws should Christians support with respect to homosexuality?
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Any that don't restrict their freedom. Their personal safety shouldn't be violated or threatened, and they should be allowed to be employed, housed, and privately engage in homosexual activity between consenting adults.
A person is a person. Why does anyone need to be labeled by the sex they have?
Agreed, and they don't have to be labeled. I was answering the OP question.
Seems OK as well to me.
You must not engage in much homosexuality. Please do not repsond. It was rhetorical.Quote:
While I am in favor of gay marriage or civil unions, I don't have a problem with Christians who vote against it.
Well the Gospel can rest for a moment from being labeled hate speech and homophobic. But, I notice, it is just for awhile. The Gay Agenda of spreading homosexuality is closing its noose around the necks of Christian Churches that dare disapprove of "it."
Again, feel free to repost anything I've written that characterize the bible as hate speech or homophobic.
Gays have a habit of getting hysterical when anyone disagrees with their agenda.
Don't bother responding in detail to that chachynga character. Whatever is writing the posts, there is an agenda at work. And, it is not a Christian agenda.
But you did write:
Question: Why would a non-Christian care OR, be posting in "this" thread?1.) I'm not a Christian.
2.) I'm skeptical of allowing someone else to interpret the bible or anything else for me, although I will listen to people who don't sound like lunatics.
I am a conservative "fundamentalist" Christian and have NEVER been to a Church (and I have been to many as a parishioner and musician) that has any ideas along the lines of the propaganda being attempted by the trickster posting under the name: chachynga.3.) If your extremist view of homosexuals being executed is representative of the ideas expressed at church, I'm not interested.
As I have already started to point out, this person has little, if any, knowledge of Christian thought, , doctrine, identity, or, can handle even beginners apologetics.
Christians should not celebrate, support, condone, promote, or preach acceptance of homosexuality, but in no way do anything other than what is handed down from the New Testament writers to us today.
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sue
Post #144
Because I can't allow rhetoric that advocates for violence against any group to go unchallenged, especially in a forum that calls for civility. Also because I have personal experience being a minority in an environment with occasional hostility directed at that minority. My Air Force squadron was 97% male.1John2_26 wrote:Question: Why would a non-Christian care OR, be posting in "this" thread?
And I've had a recent experience that makes me wonder if there is a god, so while I'm not Christian that doesn't mean that I'm an atheist.
Post #145
Seems like you have a conundrum on your hands, on one hand Jesus said in the bible to love your fellow man but on the other hand a part of the bible says to kill homosexuals. How many homosexuals have you killed?Perverting Gods word like YOU, hardlyBTW if you are not making these posts from a prison you are simply a hypocrite to your own beliefs.
Yes but not on my side, if you are going to follow one of the levitican laws you have to follow them all. Check out what your clothes are made of.Oh there is something to consider: it is confusion.
Sorry but I'm not all that into blood sacrifice, theres a law about that too. You can't pick and choose my boy.So you'd rather go against God and defile the Land for the sake of pleasing a man instead of a holy God.
You could at least come up with an original excuse, many of the nazis used that one at Nuremberg.My hands are not covered with Blood nor Hatred for carrying out Gods Will, it is upon the people doing the detestable acts.
I am a mere follower of the Way!
Heavens no, every christian is called on to do the lords work, you don't get off that easy. You say you want people dead but you are too squeamish to do the work. You have said earlier that you fear nothing but it looks like you have a definate aversion to blood and killing. If more people would actually have to do what they call out for others to do there would be a lot less stupidity in the world.that means Lev. 20.13 is to be carried out by a just Government that loves the Lord.
So again, what is wrong with that?
Who said anything about god, I'm saying you are wrong. If you were the true OT christian you claim you are you would kill homosexuals and then give yourself up to the authorities as the bible demands. But no you take the cowards way out and say it is the governments job, all so you can keep your hands clean.Please tell me where God is wrong! You can't do it without destroying the whole Bible. You god is wrong, not the Holy God of Israel.
Post #146
I can't help but agree with you John, see there is something we can agree uponDon't bother responding in detail to that chachynga character. Whatever is writing the posts, there is an agenda at work. And, it is not a Christian agenda.
As I have already started to point out, this person has little, if any, knowledge of Christian thought, , doctrine, identity, or, can handle even beginners apologetics.
Post #147
and your bogus claims only show your talking out the other end1John2_26 wrote:Dude?
You left out the textual support for Christians to kill anyone? Even the swords Jesus told his disciples to go get, did not come with the advice to thrust someone through when being attacked. In fact the deaths of the disciples testify to peacefulness and discarding of violence. You are not going to be much challenge to show you for what you are.1John2_26 wrote:
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1John2_26 wrote:
Hey "Christian" with a gun in your hand?
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chachynga wrote:
. . . you'd have to admit the Homosexuals are worthy of being executed,
Prove that from the New Testament?
It is found in the Bible. The thing in your other hand!!!!
Why just limited to the new, are you just a New Testament Christian?
Like I thought, you're a gay rights fanatic posing (trolling) as to what you think of Christians.
"Christians" aren't in the Old Testament superstar.
Answer my question "dude."
False witnessing I see is your modus!
Again, are you a Christian, and if so, are you a NT only Christian?
Wht reason could you have for not wanting to discuss the OT in relations to the said question.
You should know:
Hebrews
13 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
I Corinthians
6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So either get washed and put on the clothes and mind of Christ, or suffer the punishemnt!
I Timothy
1 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Mark
12 .... Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Jude
1 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
I suggest you start with the Gospel. Every Christian is a New Testament Christian. The redundancy of even having to type that makes me laugh at your desperation to equate "hate, violence, and Christ Jesus," in some kind of bizaare treatment.
Like I "said" you are nothing more than a gay rights activist disrupting discussions about homosexuality. You certainly do not know seem to much about the faith.
No Real Christian is a NT Only christian...
Like it or not, I know your false clothes -- wolfe!
Post #148
sue wrote:chachynga wrote:sue wrote:I know your not, and number two above with a biblical defined exclusion of lunatic, is accepted by any reasonable person.chachynga wrote: No I don't go to church for three reasons:
1.) I'm not a Christian.
2.) I'm skeptical of allowing someone else to interpret the bible or anything else for me, although I will listen to people who don't sound like lunatics.
3.) If your extremist view of homosexuals being executed is representative of the ideas expressed at church, I'm not interested.
Number 3. I am not extremist, and you and your hate would not be accepted in Christs Kingdom, so think it over and reject him with caution... his fathers Laws require the death of homosexuals, like it or not.
Post #149
1John2_26 wrote:So for the record, you are opposed to any execution of God Holy Laws!1John2_26 wrote:
Christians should not celebrate, support, condone, promote, or preach acceptance of homosexuality, but in no way do anything other than what is handed down from the New Testament writers to us today.
You, for the record would never sanction or desire or accept a Government that punishes homosexuals and or adultery according to the Scriptural mandate?
Post #150
Well spill the beans! What sort of experience could one have that would make one wonder?sue wrote:Because I can't allow rhetoric that advocates for violence against any group to go unchallenged, especially in a forum that calls for civility. Also because I have personal experience being a minority in an environment with occasional hostility directed at that minority. My Air Force squadron was 97% male.1John2_26 wrote:Question: Why would a non-Christian care OR, be posting in "this" thread?
And I've had a recent experience that makes me wonder if there is a god, so while I'm not Christian that doesn't mean that I'm an atheist.
