Paradise on Earth

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:25 am

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:34 am

[Replying to post 160 by Blastcat]

I don't blame anyone for the way it is.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:37 am

[Replying to post 159 by dio9]

[center]The difference between knowing and believing
Part One[/center]

dio9 wrote:
1. God's will doesn't change. Jesus came to restore what humanity fouled up.

I suppose you are talking about Adam and Eve?... they disobeyed a rule, were punished, and then, a long time after, God sends his "son" to somehow... "restore" the Garden of Eden, and STOP that punishment?

I'm not sure what you are saying that Jesus "Restored", actually. Jesus is the focus of a huge religious movement... so, if Jesus restored anything, it's the capacity for humans to create offshoot religions. Everything else supernatural can't be proved at all.

dio9 wrote:

2. Indeed the Gospels imply the world belongs to Satan, but that was not God's plan.

I wonder why God allows his plans to get fouled up that way? Perfect God, imperfect plan.. a bit "weird" to me.

Sounds like a "planned obsolescence".

dio9 wrote:
I'm sure you know Satan is a usurper.

It's always a wonder to me how religious people will use the word "know" instead of "believe" like that. Religious language is very different than secular language. In secular language, the verb "to know" isn't the same as the verb "to believe".

dio9 wrote:
Believe it or not like Jesus humans have it in them to be command Satan dismiss and cast out our nature is sons of God , Satan at best the highest archangel before the fall was only a servant.

Now, you use the word "believe"... and that's more appropriate. You might believe something religious that others might not.

As to any religious person KNOWING about gods and demons and so on?... Of course, they don't KNOW anything, they just believe.

But, as we just noticed, they use the word "KNOW" a lot.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:42 am

[Replying to post 161 by dio9]

[center]Volcanoes and polar bears
Part Two[/center]

dio9 wrote:
I don't blame anyone for the way it is.

But... do you believe that God created ( gets the credit for or blame for ) the world the way that it is, with volcanoes and polar bears butterflies flowers and us? You didn't say.

marco · Post by **marco** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:18 am

dio9 wrote:
Volcanoes are going to act like volcanoes , really you can't blame God for volcanoes and polar bears .

And lo, God made the volcano and the polar bear and he saw that they were good. Or words to that effect!

I think if I set a trap I am responsible for the injuries it causes. No?

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:29 pm

[Replying to post 162 by Blastcat]

no I wasn't talking about Adam and Eve. I was talking about today.

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:32 pm

[Replying to post 163 by Blastcat]

would you rather be living on Mars?

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:33 pm

[Replying to post 164 by marco]

again would you rather be living on Mars? This is it. There is no one to blame.

marco · Post by **marco** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:27 am

dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 164 by marco]

again would you rather be living on Mars? This is it. There is no one to blame.

I agree; there is no one to blame.

But if I also agree to the proposition that God assembled volcanoes, then I have to ask why, since it seems to me an obvious hazard. Living on Mars, were it possible, would simply introduce new questions, which needn't detain us.

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:07 am

[Replying to post 165 by dio9]

dio9 wrote:
no I wasn't talking about Adam and Eve. I was talking about today.

Could you clarify?

Are you saying, for example, that Jesus came back because we are fouling something up today?

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:11 am

[Replying to post 166 by dio9]

[center]

Does dio9 believe that God created the world?
Part Two: This is the third time I ask the question[/center]

dio9 wrote:
would you rather be living on Mars?

No.
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Question:

But... do you believe that God created ( gets the credit for or blame for ) the world the way that it is, with volcanoes, polar bears, butterflies, flowers and us? You STILL didn't say.

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