Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[JehovahsWitness]

The scriptures I quoted all say the same thing, that what we wait for is a new heaven and a new earth to appear when Jesus returns. Of course, I know you will not accept this ...

I dont know where you got that impression, Jehovahs Witnesses everywhere accept (and look forward to) a new heaven and a new earth [which will] appear when Jesus returns.. It's pretty much ALL we talk about! If that was the point you were making I don't see that we have an issue at all!

JW

To learn more pleas go to other posts related to...

THE KINGDOM, THE MILLENIUM and ...THE EARTHLY PARSDISE

Further reading
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

[onewithhim]

(1) So you say that the Millennial Reign is not real? That it is somehow symbolic? Symbolic of what?

(2) Just when is the new heaven and new earth to be a reality? Before Jesus comes or after?

(3) Do you say that the earth and the whole universe will be destroyed to be replaced by a totally different planet and universe?

Please answer.

It seems to me at this point that you are considering something symbolic or metaphorical as literal, and something literal as symbolic. Please answer my questions above.


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[Checkpoint]

The scriptures I quoted all say the same thing, that what we wait for is a new heaven and a new earth to appear when Jesus returns. Of course, I know you will not accept this ...

I dont know where you got that impression, Jehovahs Witnesses everywhere accept (and look forward to) a new heaven and a new earth [which will] appear when Jesus returns.. It's pretty much ALL we talk about! If that was the point you were making I don't see that we have an issue at all!

JW

Yes, that is what you do see, but what you fail to see is that none of it is applicable to the thousand years.

The millennium is part of the old order of things, which will pass away when the last enemy is destroyed.

That, JW, is my point!

It is also why I wrote, "Of course, I know you will not accept this ..."

[Checkpoint]

(1) So you say that the Millennial Reign is not real? That it is somehow symbolic? Symbolic of what?

(2) Just when is the new heaven and new earth to be a reality? Before Jesus comes or after?

(3) Do you say that the earth and the whole universe will be destroyed to be replaced by a totally different planet and universe?

Please answer.

It seems to me at this point that you are considering something symbolic or metaphorical as literal, and something literal as symbolic. Please answer my questions above.

(1) The thousand years refers to a complete time period (10x10x10). This is the age that begins with the binding of Satan and ends just before his release to gather the nations for the last great battle, and the subsequent Judgment of all.

(2) The new heaven and new earth will come after the return of Jesus, not before.

(3) No, it will be a new order of things, not the destruction and replacement of the literal planet or universe.

[JehovahsWitness]

(1) The thousand years refers to a complete time period (10x10x10). This is the age that begins with the binding of Satan and ends just before his release to gather the nations for the last great battle, and the subsequent Judgment of all.

But that's exactly what Jehovahs Witnesses believe. I see no point of disagreement here.

[JehovahsWitness]

(2) The new heaven and new earth will come after the return of Jesus, not before.

That's exactly what Jehovahs Witnesses believe, we believe that "the new heaven and new earth will come after the return of Jesus, not before".

(3) No, it will be a new order of things, not the destruction and replacement of the literal planet or universe.

That's exactly what Jehovahs Witnesses believe.

[onewithhim]

(1) So you say that the Millennial Reign is not real? That it is somehow symbolic? Symbolic of what?

(2) Just when is the new heaven and new earth to be a reality? Before Jesus comes or after?

(3) Do you say that the earth and the whole universe will be destroyed to be replaced by a totally different planet and universe?

Please answer.

It seems to me at this point that you are considering something symbolic or metaphorical as literal, and something literal as symbolic. Please answer my questions above.

(1) The thousand years refers to a complete time period (10x10x10). This is the age that begins with the binding of Satan and ends just before his release to gather the nations for the last great battle, and the subsequent Judgment of all.

(2) The new heaven and new earth will come after the return of Jesus, not before.

(3) No, it will be a new order of things, not the destruction and replacement of the literal planet or universe.

Then apparently we agree on this. What is your objection? What will be the situation on Earth between the binding of Satan and the last great battle (after he is let loose for the last time)?

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[Checkpoint]

(1) So you say that the Millennial Reign is not real? That it is somehow symbolic? Symbolic of what?

(2) Just when is the new heaven and new earth to be a reality? Before Jesus comes or after?

(3) Do you say that the earth and the whole universe will be destroyed to be replaced by a totally different planet and universe?

Please answer.

It seems to me at this point that you are considering something symbolic or metaphorical as literal, and something literal as symbolic. Please answer my questions above.

(1) The thousand years refers to a complete time period (10x10x10). This is the age that begins with the binding of Satan and ends just before his release to gather the nations for the last great battle, and the subsequent Judgment of all.

(2) The new heaven and new earth will come after the return of Jesus, not before.

(3) No, it will be a new order of things, not the destruction and replacement of the literal planet or universe.

Then apparently we agree on this. What is your objection? What will be the situation on Earth between the binding of Satan and the last great battle (after he is let loose for the last time)?

My objection?

That what is in the quoted verses is taken out of its own context and intention, and applied as well to the millennium.

Revelation 20 does not describe or hint at Paradise conditions, or of it being "the new heaven and new earth".

Satan and other enemies remain, to be finally dealt with, after, not before or during, the thousand years.

The 1000 years is a last part of the old order of things.

When Revelation 20 finishes, that old order will pass away, and then will appear the new order, the restoration as promised, the Paradise of God.

[JehovahsWitness]

The thousand years is a last part of the old order of things.

Okay so (correct me if Im misunderstanding you) , you dont take "The 1000 years" and "The millennium" to be sysnonyms? They are describing different periods is that correct?

... what you fail to see is that none of it is applicable to the thousand years.

The millennium is part of the old order of things, which will pass away ...

[JehovahsWitness]

(2) The new heaven and new earth will come after the return of Jesus, not before.

So chronologically, where is the return of Jesus placed ? Before, after, or during "the binding of Satan"?