JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.

My son and I are NOT equal, only in the sense that we are both human. I am not equal to the President in power and authority, though we are both human. If Jesus and God are not equal in terms of physicality and position, Jesus being in subordination, they are not both God Almighty.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.

My son and I are NOT equal, only in the sense that we are both human. I am not equal to the President in power and authority, though we are both human. If Jesus and God are not equal in terms of physicality and position, Jesus being in subordination, they are not both God Almighty.

If you two are not equal, does that mean that one of you have no dignity and rights in moral and legal sense?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.

My son and I are NOT equal, only in the sense that we are both human. I am not equal to the President in power and authority, though we are both human. If Jesus and God are not equal in terms of physicality and position, Jesus being in subordination, they are not both God Almighty.

If you two are not equal, does that mean that one of you have no dignity and rights in moral and legal sense?

No not at all. I am an American citizen. Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights? No, even though we both are not equal. Does a straight person have more dignity and legal rights than a homosexual individual, according to the law? They are not the same, and yet they deserve the same dignity and legal rights.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.

My son and I are NOT equal, only in the sense that we are both human. I am not equal to the President in power and authority, though we are both human. If Jesus and God are not equal in terms of physicality and position, Jesus being in subordination, they are not both God Almighty.

If you two are not equal, does that mean that one of you have no dignity and rights in moral and legal sense?

No not at all. I am an American citizen. Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights? No, even though we both are not equal. Does a straight person have more dignity and legal rights than a homosexual individual, according to the law? They are not the same, and yet they deserve the same dignity and legal rights.

You say, "Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights?" They deserved and that is my point equality, unless you mean about slavery. Again you did confirm my point in your last sentence.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.

My son and I are NOT equal, only in the sense that we are both human. I am not equal to the President in power and authority, though we are both human. If Jesus and God are not equal in terms of physicality and position, Jesus being in subordination, they are not both God Almighty.

If you two are not equal, does that mean that one of you have no dignity and rights in moral and legal sense?

No not at all. I am an American citizen. Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights? No, even though we both are not equal. Does a straight person have more dignity and legal rights than a homosexual individual, according to the law? They are not the same, and yet they deserve the same dignity and legal rights.

You say, "Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights?" They deserved and that is my point equality, unless you mean about slavery. Again you did confirm my point in your last sentence.

My point was that aliens deserve dignity but they are NOT equal with American citizens.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.

My son and I are NOT equal, only in the sense that we are both human. I am not equal to the President in power and authority, though we are both human. If Jesus and God are not equal in terms of physicality and position, Jesus being in subordination, they are not both God Almighty.

If you two are not equal, does that mean that one of you have no dignity and rights in moral and legal sense?

No not at all. I am an American citizen. Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights? No, even though we both are not equal. Does a straight person have more dignity and legal rights than a homosexual individual, according to the law? They are not the same, and yet they deserve the same dignity and legal rights.

You say, "Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights?" They deserved and that is my point equality, unless you mean about slavery. Again you did confirm my point in your last sentence.

My point was that aliens deserve dignity but they are NOT equal with American citizens.

But what I mean is you and your son, have equal dignity and rights.
I believe all humans are equal in the eyes of God also.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.

My son and I are NOT equal, only in the sense that we are both human. I am not equal to the President in power and authority, though we are both human. If Jesus and God are not equal in terms of physicality and position, Jesus being in subordination, they are not both God Almighty.

If you two are not equal, does that mean that one of you have no dignity and rights in moral and legal sense?

No not at all. I am an American citizen. Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights? No, even though we both are not equal. Does a straight person have more dignity and legal rights than a homosexual individual, according to the law? They are not the same, and yet they deserve the same dignity and legal rights.

You say, "Does that mean that someone of another country doesn't deserve dignity and moral rights?" They deserved and that is my point equality, unless you mean about slavery. Again you did confirm my point in your last sentence.

My point was that aliens deserve dignity but they are NOT equal with American citizens.

But what I mean is you and your son, have equal dignity and rights.
I believe all humans are equal in the eyes of God also.

All humans are equal in God's eyes, yes, but men's laws are not necessarily God's laws. Aliens are considered beneath American citizens in this life. There is a definite contrast, and I was just bringing that out.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1927]

Do you see my point? Humans are all equal in the eyes of God, but not in the eyes of humans. There is a definite difference in their eyes. We don't think that the President is any better a human than a custodian at a school, but the President has more authority than the custodian. They are not equal in this world as it is now. So it trumps your view that all are equal.

[marke]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1912]
God also gave Jesus the name above every name. If Jesus was God, he wouldn't have to be GIVEN a higher position than he had before. The Father, God, calls all the shots, so to speak.

Marke: God commanded all the heavenly host to bow down and worship Jesus.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1927]

Do you see my point? Humans are all equal in the eyes of God, but not in the eyes of humans. There is a definite difference in their eyes. We don't think that the President is any better a human than a custodian at a school, but the President has more authority than the custodian. They are not equal in this world as it is now. So it trumps your view that all are equal.

Yes, all humans are equal in the eyes of God.
As to human eye, are we not equal in dignity and rights in legal sense within same country and laws?
If President Trump gives all authority to Elon Musk, they would be equal, but law prohibit it.
The Father had given all the authority and power to Jesus, and if "all" is 100%=100%, that would be equal.
But in relation, the Father, remain as the father and the Son remain as the son. (relational subordination)