John 17:3 doesn't teach Jesus is not the "true God"

[Faber]

John 17:3
This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. (NASB)


Why is it that some cite John 17:3 in thinking the Lord Jesus is not the true God when every other instance when the "true God" is used in Scripture it refers to the true God in contradistinction to false gods (2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10-11; 1 Thessalonians 1:9 and 1 John 5:20-21)?

For those who deny the Lord Jesus is God, is Jesus a false god?

[Checkpoint]

John 17:3
This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. (NASB)


Why is it that some cite John 17:3 in thinking the Lord Jesus is not the true God when every other instance when the "true God" is used in Scripture it refers to the true God in contradistinction to false gods (2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10-11; 1 Thessalonians 1:9 and 1 John 5:20-21)?

For those who deny the Lord Jesus is God, is Jesus a false god?

They teach that because that is what the verse says.

No, Jesus is not a false god, but the one whom "You have sent".

"You" here is the Father, whom Jesus later calls "my God and your God", John 20:17.

[Faber]

The verse does not say Jesus is not the true God. That is a false assumption.

[Checkpoint]

The verse does not say Jesus is not the true God. That is a false assumption.

It says who the true God is, and it is not the speaker, Jesus.

Jesus has this one true God as his God.

Does the one true God have a God?

[Faber]

This was asked on page 2 and has not yet been answered:

Who is your ONLY despot"s in heaven?
The Father (Acts 4:24) or the Lord Jesus (Jude 1:4)?

[Checkpoint]

This was asked on page 2 and has not yet been answered:

Who is your ONLY despot"s in heaven?
The Father (Acts 4:24) or the Lord Jesus (Jude 1:4)?

The Father.

See Young's Literal Translation of the Jude verse.

[Faber]

Older and better manuscripts read as it does in the NASB.
Jude 1:4
For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ (NASB).

1. BDAG (3rd Edition): Citing 2 Peter 2:1 and Jude 1:4 it reads: "Of Christ" (despot"s, page 220).
2. H. Bietenhard: despotes is twice used with reference to Christ: 2 Pet. 2:1 (Christ the Master bought us; the background is the metaphor of the redemption of slaves); and Jude 4 which uses the same underlying idea. In both passages the term is used in opposition to heretical statements. The false teachers deny that Jesus is despot"s (NIDNTT 2:509, Lord).
3. W. E. Vine: with reference to Christ, 2 Pet. 2:1; Jude 4 (Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, Lord, page 690).
4. William Mounce: Jesus is the despotes in 2 Tim. 2:21; 2 Pet. 2:1 and Jude 4 (Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, Master, page 442).

Not only does Jude 1:4 refer to the Lord Jesus as despot"s so does 2 Peter 2:1.

The NIDNTT reads, "Belief in the one, only and unique God (Matt. 23:9; Rom. 3:30; 1 Cor. 8:4, 6; Gal. 3:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Jas. 2:19) is an established part of primitive Christian tradition" (2:73, God, J. Schneider). Jude 1:4 teaches that the uniqueness of God can be applied without qualification to Jesus (NIDNTT 2:725, One, K. H. Bartels). Unique is defined as existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics (Websters Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary, page 1554) while qualification is defined as a restriction (ibid., page 1174).
There is no restriction in that Christ shares in the uniqueness (singleness) of the only one God.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 26 by Faber]

Your post contradicts your own original question I qouted.

You asked us to choose one or the other.

I did, and you effectively say both.

And you did not answer my question. It was not merely rhetorical.

[Faber]

I say both because the Bible declares it applies to both.
The Father (Acts 4:24)
The Lord Jesus (2 Peter 2:1; Jude 1:4)

Your question fails to take into account that God is a multi-Personal Being. The above evidence demonstrates this. Furthermore, the Father calls the Son "God" (Hebrews 1:8) and the Son calls the Father "God" (Revelation 3:12).

[onewithhim]

Next time please answer the question I asked. Here it is again:

Who is your ONLY despot"s in heaven?
The Father (Acts 4:24) or the Lord Jesus (Jude 1:4)?

I see you can't tell me briefly in your own words what "despotes" means, so I'll take a shot at it, that it means "Master."

Who is my "only" Master in heaven? There are two, just as there are technically two "saviors." Jehovah is the MOST HIGH Master, just as He is the Most High Savior. It is He who calls all the shots and tells persons what to do. He plans and others carry out His plans. Jesus is Master over us because it was he who came here REPRESENTING Jehovah, and he explained to us what the truth is and what his Father expects of us. He is called Master out of respect, because he was and is indeed the Master over all earthly kings and lords.

[Faber]

I don't tell you in my own words because I don't play make believe with how the words of the Bible are properly defined.
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Thanks for your admission that you have two because the Bible teaches that the Lord Jesus is the "only" despot"s.