This Generation Will Not Pass Away:

[Overcomer]

Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel"let the reader understand" 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now"and never to be equaled again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Messiah! or, There he is! do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 Immediately after the distress of those days


the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[polonius]

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Mark 13:32)

RESPONSE: This passages evidences that Jesus was not divine. He is lacking in divine knowledge.

[myth-one.com]

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Mark 13:32)

RESPONSE: This passages evidences that Jesus was not divine. He is lacking in divine knowledge.

Correct, Jesus was a man.

But He knew the signs which must occur before the end of the world or end of times could occur.

He listed these in Matthew 24.

Then He stated that the generation which sees that all of these signs have occurred will not all perish before the end of the world:

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (Matthew 24:33-34)

That is, the end of the world will occur within the lifetime of the generation after which all of the required signs signaling the end of the world have occurred.

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Jesus was asked by the disciples, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered their question.

The answer is that Jesus did not know exactly.

But these things must occur first.

After these things have all occurred, the end of the world will occur during the life of that generation.

[polonius]

Myth-One. Com posted

polonius.advice wrote:

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But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Mark 13:32)

RESPONSE: This passages evidences that Jesus was not divine. He is lacking in divine knowledge.

Correct, Jesus was a man.

But He knew the signs which must occur before the end of the world or end of times could occur.

He listed these in Matthew 24.

No. Matthew added these when he his wrote his gospel 50 years later. Jesus wrote nothing.

Then He stated that the generation which sees that all of these signs have occurred will not all perish before the end of the world:


Quote: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (Matthew 24:33-34)

That is, the end of the world will occur within the lifetime of the generation after which all of the required signs signaling the end of the world have occurred.

No. When ye shall see or when you shall see. He was addressing those then alive. But Jesus was wrong just as he was about his Second Coming.

[WPG12]

[Replying to myth-one.com]

Although only the Father knows the actual date, numerous signs will appear which indicate that the end is near. These include wars, rumors of wars, appearance of the the antichrist, the gospel being preached unto all nations, etc. Many of these "signs of the end of times" are stated in Matthew 24 in the verses prior to verse 34.



This happened in that generation, and still does to this day. Every denomination claims to have the real truth and tries to cut any other denomination down that doesn't submit to them. Paul and James were at war with each other, while that son of perdition was already at work.


But of course, carnally minded Christian's look at wars in the physical realm as evidence, knowing those wars are in the spiritual realm.

That mystery of iniquity was already at work, through the hand of that Son of Perdition. Not some future "Antichrist" who would decieve those who don't believe what men tell them. When you look to the future for something that has already happened you'll never see it. Smoke and mirrors is all it is.

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4, 7 KJV

[polonius]

Over comer asked:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

Answer: Those alive when the speaker made the statement. Also indicated by the his use of the adjective "this"

[myth-one.com]

One sign which must be fulfilled before the Second Coming and the end of times is that the gospel must be preached in all the world to all nations:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

And the gospel must first be published among all nations. (Mark 13:10)

This has not as yet been accomplished.

In fact, the gospel has been sealed from mankind's understanding:

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

It is sealed until the time of the end:

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Daniel 12:4)

And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. (Isaiah 29:18)

The Second Coming is described in Revelation chapter nineteen. The scriptures are unsealed and God sends an angel to spread the good news of the gospel to all nations in Revelation 14:6:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. (Revelation 14:6)

If the gospel must be spread to all nations before the end of times, and if God has to send an angel to accomplish this sign shortly before the second Coming of Christ, then the "ye" in the verses below cannot possibly refer to the disciples or the present generation of humans alive at that time:

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (Matthew 24:33-34)

The Bible is written for all mankind. The generation of mankind (ye) which will see all of the signs of the end is the generation which will be alive to see the gospel message being spread to all nations.

This proves that "ye" refers to the generation living at the time of the Second Coming -- as that is when that last sign is fulfilled!

God has to send an angel to fulfill this last sign so that the end could occur!


End of proof.

[WPG12]

[Replying to myth-one.com]

Again, carnally minded Christian's look at the physical and not the spiritual.

It all happened, a long time ago.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 198 by polonius.advice]

Do you have anything to say about my post #197?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com]

Again, carnally minded Christian's look at the physical and not the spiritual.

It all happened, a long time ago.

When was the gospel preached unto all nations?

When did that happen?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 195 by polonius.advice]

Where does it use the word generation at all in Matt 23??

In verse 36.