THE FUTURE

[onewithhim]

Haven't we all, at one time or another, wondered what the future will be like? Experts of men have had a spotty reputation as most of their predictions have proved untrue.

What does the Bible tell us? "The God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed....It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever." (Daniel 2:44, Revised Standard Version)

Is this good news? Of course, when we realize what God's Kingdom is. It is a real government that will replace all of the existing governments on the earth and stand forever. Stability and order will be brought to people on the earth. What will life be like under this government?

NO MORE WAR (Psalm 46:9)
NO MORE SICKNESS (Isaiah 33:24)
NO MORE FOOD SHORTAGE (Psalm 72:16)
NO MORE PAIN, SORROW AND DEATH (Revelation 21:4)

These are just some of the promises made in the Bible about God's Kingdom, and there are more. God has promised all these wonderful things for the future. All righteously inclined people can avail themselves of these promises. Does this sound good to you?

[SiNcE_1985]

Any person really cares if they have any insight at all. A person needs to know what is ahead for him and his loved ones. God says that people must believe that he rewards his people.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is the REWARDER of them that diligently seek him." (Hebrews 11:6) What is the reward of saved people? "But it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." (I Cor. 2:9, KJV) What do your ex-JWs say that God has prepared for the people who love him?

Eternity with Christ....no more death, sorrow, sickness, disease.

That is the reward, that is the future.

I don't know what ex-JWs say, but I know what the Bible says.

And the Bible also says to beware of false teachers and false prophets.

Hint, hint.

[onewithhim]

Any person really cares if they have any insight at all. A person needs to know what is ahead for him and his loved ones. God says that people must believe that he rewards his people.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is the REWARDER of them that diligently seek him." (Hebrews 11:6) What is the reward of saved people? "But it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." (I Cor. 2:9, KJV) What do your ex-JWs say that God has prepared for the people who love him?

Eternity with Christ....no more death, sorrow, sickness, disease.

That is the reward, that is the future.

I don't know what ex-JWs say, but I know what the Bible says.

And the Bible also says to beware of false teachers and false prophets.

Hint, hint.

You don't know what ex-JWs say and yet you say they're your favorite people? You don't pay attention to what they are saying? Interesting. I wonder what hope they hold out for people.

What will you do when in eternity with Christ? Will you be in heaven? On Earth?

[SiNcE_1985]

You don't know what ex-JWs say and yet you say they're your favorite people?

Never said that.

You don't pay attention to what they are saying

I pay attention to what they're saying, insofar as the things they say which exposes the cult that is the Watchtower & Tract Society.

Interesting. I wonder what hope they hold out for people.

Ex-JW's aren't one specific united group for you to wonder such things about them.

What will you do when in eternity with Christ? Will you be in heaven? On Earth?

Paul said our citizenship is in heaven, not on earth.
(Phil 3:20)

[onewithhim]

You don't know what ex-JWs say and yet you say they're your favorite people?

Never said that.

You don't pay attention to what they are saying

I pay attention to what they're saying, insofar as the things they say which exposes the cult that is the Watchtower & Tract Society.

Interesting. I wonder what hope they hold out for people.

Ex-JW's aren't one specific united group for you to wonder such things about them.

What will you do when in eternity with Christ? Will you be in heaven? On Earth?

Paul said our citizenship is in heaven, not on earth.
(Phil 3:20)

What hope does ANY ex-JW hold out for people? So they get people away from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society....then what? What do they tell people they can look forward to doing?

Paul said that the anointed ones will be in heaven. (I Corinthians 15:40-53) Most of humankind will live on the earth, under the guidance of Christ and his co-rulers. What do you say about these verses?:

"Evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." (Psalm 37:9, KJV)

"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29, KJV)

It looks like somebody is going to live on the earth/land forever.

[SiNcE_1985]

What hope does ANY ex-JW hold out for people? So they get people away from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society....then what?

Irrelevant to them finding out that the WTS was/is a fraud, and rightfully deciding to leave the organization.

What do they tell people they can look forward to doing?

Do you guys tell new converts what they can look forward to, should they decide to leave the organization (a lifetime of shunning from family & friends)?

Paul said that the anointed ones will be in heaven. (I Corinthians 15:40-53)

No, that's not what he said. Not in those verses and not within the context Paul was speaking.

There is no mention of heaven as a dwelling place, not in those 13 verses.

So, what you are talking about, I don't know.

Most of humankind will live on the earth, under the guidance of Christ and his co-rulers.

What do you say about these verses?:

Um, you are erroneously conflating the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev 20:4-6) with the final stage of mankind, which is a heavenly, eternal dwelling with God (Rev 21:3).

But, we all know that the JW's don't read the Bible on their own accord, instead, they read it under the guiding of Watchtower publications where, full context of the verses aren't shown to readers.

So, they take verse at face value instead of reading the entire context.

"Evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." (Psalm 37:9, KJV)

"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29, KJV)

Yeah, the "new land".

Rev 21:1-3 clearly states there will be a NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH.

The New Earth is where God will dwell with his people (v.3).

Compare Ps. 37:29 that you just shared, with Rev 21:7.

"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29, KJV)

7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this (new earth) and I will be their God and they will be my children. (Rev 21:7)

Keyword: Inherit.

The New Earth will be Heaven, obviously...Heaven is wherever God dwells, and if he dwells with us on this new earth, then this new earth is heaven.

What I find funny is, in Watchtower publications which speaks on this subject, they have picture illustrations of these vast agricultural and building projects that the righteous are supposedly going to partake in, in efforts to "restore the garden"..when Rev states that God has already prepared the place, so there would be no need for all that.

Just one inaccuracy after another.

Boy, I tell ya.

It looks like somebody is going to live on the earth/land forever.

Rev 21.

[onewithhim]

What hope does ANY ex-JW hold out for people? So they get people away from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society....then what?

Irrelevant to them finding out that the WTS was/is a fraud, and rightfully deciding to leave the organization.

What do they tell people they can look forward to doing?

Do you guys tell new converts what they can look forward to, should they decide to leave the organization (a lifetime of shunning from family & friends)?

Paul said that the anointed ones will be in heaven. (I Corinthians 15:40-53)

No, that's not what he said. Not in those verses and not within the context Paul was speaking.

There is no mention of heaven as a dwelling place, not in those 13 verses.

So, what you are talking about, I don't know.

Most of humankind will live on the earth, under the guidance of Christ and his co-rulers.

What do you say about these verses?:

Um, you are erroneously conflating the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev 20:4-6) with the final stage of mankind, which is a heavenly, eternal dwelling with God (Rev 21:3).

But, we all know that the JW's don't read the Bible on their own accord, instead, they read it under the guiding of Watchtower publications where, full context of the verses aren't shown to readers.

So, they take verse at face value instead of reading the entire context.

"Evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." (Psalm 37:9, KJV)

"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29, KJV)

Yeah, the "new land".

Rev 21:1-3 clearly states there will be a NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH.

The New Earth is where God will dwell with his people (v.3).

Compare Ps. 37:29 that you just shared, with Rev 21:7.

"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29, KJV)

7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this (new earth) and I will be their God and they will be my children. (Rev 21:7)

Keyword: Inherit.

The New Earth will be Heaven, obviously...Heaven is wherever God dwells, and if he dwells with us on this new earth, then this new earth is heaven.

What I find funny is, in Watchtower publications which speaks on this subject, they have picture illustrations of these vast agricultural and building projects that the righteous are supposedly going to partake in, in efforts to "restore the garden"..when Rev states that God has already prepared the place, so there would be no need for all that.

Just one inaccuracy after another.

Boy, I tell ya.

It looks like somebody is going to live on the earth/land forever.

Rev 21.

Yes indeed, Paul to the Corinthians explained how those anointed ones will change into spirit persons and go to be with Christ. You probably didn't read the whole passage. JWs read everything and not just a verse here and there. We think for ourselves. I resent someone telling me I'm just a brainwashed person who can't think. That is the farthest from the truth. It took me years of studying---even other religions' material---to form the opinions I have.

The Bible says that Jesus is going to heaven to prepare a place for his co-rulers. (John 14:2) He also said that the meek shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5). Jesus is in heaven with his Father, and most of mankind will be here on the earth forever. ("Land" is the same as "earth" in these verses. See Psalm 37:9 & 11 in the KJV.)

Revelation 21 speaks of God being "with" people on the earth. He is with people here just as he has been "with" his people in the past. (Exodus 16:9; Ex.29:45,46; Numbers 35:34.) Jehovah said that he was "residing" in the midst of the sons of Israel, though he wasn't literally there. Many Scriptures show us that God remains in heaven, even when he says he is residing with his people. (See I Kings 8:27, and the rest of chapter 8 that shows that God lives in heaven, though he was "with" his people.) It's just like Jesus being "with" us believers all the days now until the end of the age (Matthew 28:20). How is he "with" us? The same way that God will be with us when all things are made new (Rev. 21).

[SiNcE_1985]

Yes indeed, Paul to the Corinthians explained how those anointed ones will change into spirit persons and go to be with Christ. You probably didn't read the whole passage. JWs read everything and not just a verse here and there. We think for ourselves. I resent someone telling me I'm just a brainwashed person who can't think. That is the farthest from the truth. It took me years of studying---even other religions' material---to form the opinions I have.

Yeah, Paul spoke on how believers will be granted heavenly bodies, but it doesn't state anything about Heaven as a dwelling place, which is what we're discussing.

I challenge you to provide the specific verse, of the 13, where it states that.

It doesn't. That is you reading into the text what simply isn't there.

The Bible says that Jesus is going to heaven to prepare a place for his co-rulers. (John 14:2)

What the HELL are you talking about?

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Do you see anything about some dang on co-rulers??

As if I can't go back and read it and see it not being there?

Complete distortion of the sacred, holy text.

He also said that the meek shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5). Jesus is in heaven with his Father, and most of mankind will be here on the earth forever. ("Land" is the same as "earth" in these verses. See Psalm 37:9 & 11 in the KJV.)
Revelation 21 speaks of God being "with" people on the earth. He is with people here just as he has been "with" his people in the past. (Exodus 16:9; Ex.29:45,46; Numbers 35:34.)

Reading comprehension.

That clearly cannot be the case, considering..

Rev 21:3 clearly states...

3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Keyword: NOW.

"Now" suggests a change..."now" is being distinguished from any other time prior.

So your reference to OT scriptures doesn't work; because that was then, and Rev 21:3 will be now.

Jehovah said that he was "residing" in the midst of the sons of Israel, though he wasn't literally there. Many Scriptures show us that God remains in heaven, even when he says he is residing with his people. (See I Kings 8:27, and the rest of chapter 8 that shows that God lives in heaven, though he was "with" his people.) It's just like Jesus being "with" us believers all the days now until the end of the age (Matthew 28:20). How is he "with" us? The same way that God will be with us when all things are made new (Rev. 21).

Your reference to 1 Kings 8:27 doesn't help you, either.

Wanna know why?

Because in context, 1 Kings 8:27 speaks of the newly built Temple, where God was to reside with his people and where Solomon dedicated the Temple to God.

Yet, Rev 21:22 states..speaking of the New Earth and the New Jerusalem..

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

So, if God dwelled in the Temple with his people in 1 Kings 8:27, yet, there will BE NO temple for him to dwell in, in Rev 21:3, that should tell you that the latter will be different than the former..and you should have already determined that by simple reading comprehension of "now" in Rev 21:3 , as I explained above.

God will dwell with his people, literally...no shield, no veil covering...the Most High, the Almighty, will be with his people, as the scriptures indicate.

[onewithhim]

Yes indeed, Paul to the Corinthians explained how those anointed ones will change into spirit persons and go to be with Christ. You probably didn't read the whole passage. JWs read everything and not just a verse here and there. We think for ourselves. I resent someone telling me I'm just a brainwashed person who can't think. That is the farthest from the truth. It took me years of studying---even other religions' material---to form the opinions I have.

Yeah, Paul spoke on how believers will be granted heavenly bodies, but it doesn't state anything about Heaven as a dwelling place, which is what we're discussing.

I challenge you to provide the specific verse, of the 13, where it states that.

It doesn't. That is you reading into the text what simply isn't there.

The Bible says that Jesus is going to heaven to prepare a place for his co-rulers. (John 14:2)

What the HELL are you talking about?

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Do you see anything about some dang on co-rulers??

As if I can't go back and read it and see it not being there?

Complete distortion of the sacred, holy text.

He also said that the meek shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5). Jesus is in heaven with his Father, and most of mankind will be here on the earth forever. ("Land" is the same as "earth" in these verses. See Psalm 37:9 & 11 in the KJV.)
Revelation 21 speaks of God being "with" people on the earth. He is with people here just as he has been "with" his people in the past. (Exodus 16:9; Ex.29:45,46; Numbers 35:34.)

Reading comprehension.

That clearly cannot be the case, considering..

Rev 21:3 clearly states...

3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Keyword: NOW.

"Now" suggests a change..."now" is being distinguished from any other time prior.

So your reference to OT scriptures doesn't work; because that was then, and Rev 21:3 will be now.

Jehovah said that he was "residing" in the midst of the sons of Israel, though he wasn't literally there. Many Scriptures show us that God remains in heaven, even when he says he is residing with his people. (See I Kings 8:27, and the rest of chapter 8 that shows that God lives in heaven, though he was "with" his people.) It's just like Jesus being "with" us believers all the days now until the end of the age (Matthew 28:20). How is he "with" us? The same way that God will be with us when all things are made new (Rev. 21).

Your reference to 1 Kings 8:27 doesn't help you, either.

Wanna know why?

Because in context, 1 Kings 8:27 speaks of the newly built Temple, where God was to reside with his people and where Solomon dedicated the Temple to God.

Yet, Rev 21:22 states..speaking of the New Earth and the New Jerusalem..

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

So, if God dwelled in the Temple with his people in 1 Kings 8:27, yet, there will BE NO temple for him to dwell in, in Rev 21:3, that should tell you that the latter will be different than the former..and you should have already determined that by simple reading comprehension of "now" in Rev 21:3 , as I explained above.

God will dwell with his people, literally...no shield, no veil covering...the Most High, the Almighty, will be with his people, as the scriptures indicate.

It is your prerogative to refuse to see the logic in what I have presented. You are free to believe as you wish. I stand by what I have said. God will remain with Christ and his co-rulers for all time. You failed to comment on what Christ is doing NOW. He is "with" us until the end of the system of things. That is NOW. Yet he is now in heaven, so how can he be "with" us? The same as how God will be "with" us in the future. Jesus can be with us regardless of the fact that he is in heaven. So can God be with us when all things are new. What do you say about what the Bible says when referring to Matthew 28:20? Jesus' own words. "As the scriptures indicate." God will be "with" us in the same manner.

[SiNcE_1985]

It is your prerogative to refuse to see the logic in what I have presented. You are free to believe as you wish. I stand by what I have said.

You stand by what the organization teaches.

I get it.

When the organization's words are just as good as God's, it is hard to go against those words.

God will remain with Christ and his co-rulers for all time.

That's not what the text says, onewithhim.

You guys (JW's) always like to pride yourselves on going by what the Bible says, yet, that is not what the Bible says....and yet, you are STILL going by it.

Not one word or mention about co-rulers.

That is what you are saying, not what Jesus said.

To teach something that Jesus didn't teach, is the most clearest example of a FALSE TEACHING/DOCTRINE.

You failed to comment on what Christ is doing NOW. He is "with" us until the end of the system of things. That is NOW. Yet he is now in heaven, so how can he be "with" us? The same as how God will be "with" us in the future. Jesus can be with us regardless of the fact that he is in heaven. So can God be with us when all things are new. What do you say about what the Bible says when referring to Matthew 28:20? Jesus' own words. "As the scriptures indicate." God will be "with" us in the same manner.

It appears you've simply regurgitated your former points, instead of responding directly to the crux of my latter points.

If Jesus and/or God is with us NOW, then it makes no sense whatsoever for Rev 21:3 to say that "God will NOW dwell with his people"....if he was always with us anyway.

If God was with us prior, then he wouldn't have to dwell with us, NOW (Rev 21:3).

Makes no sense whatsoever.

That would be similar, for me to have lived in the state of Colorado my whole life, to make the statement "Now, I will move to the state of Colorado".

But, it comes as no surprise, though.

JW's and Bible hermeneutics are like water and electricity....when you mix both, chaos erupts.

[onewithhim]

It is your prerogative to refuse to see the logic in what I have presented. You are free to believe as you wish. I stand by what I have said.

You stand by what the organization teaches.

I get it.

When the organization's words are just as good as God's, it is hard to go against those words.

God will remain with Christ and his co-rulers for all time.

That's not what the text says, onewithhim.

You guys (JW's) always like to pride yourselves on going by what the Bible says, yet, that is not what the Bible says....and yet, you are STILL going by it.

Not one word or mention about co-rulers.

That is what you are saying, not what Jesus said.

To teach something that Jesus didn't teach, is the most clearest example of a FALSE TEACHING/DOCTRINE.

You failed to comment on what Christ is doing NOW. He is "with" us until the end of the system of things. That is NOW. Yet he is now in heaven, so how can he be "with" us? The same as how God will be "with" us in the future. Jesus can be with us regardless of the fact that he is in heaven. So can God be with us when all things are new. What do you say about what the Bible says when referring to Matthew 28:20? Jesus' own words. "As the scriptures indicate." God will be "with" us in the same manner.

It appears you've simply regurgitated your former points, instead of responding directly to the crux of my latter points.

If Jesus and/or God is with us NOW, then it makes no sense whatsoever for Rev 21:3 to say that "God will NOW dwell with his people"....if he was always with us anyway.

If God was with us prior, then he wouldn't have to dwell with us, NOW (Rev 21:3).

Makes no sense whatsoever.

That would be similar, for me to have lived in the state of Colorado my whole life, to make the statement "Now, I will move to the state of Colorado".

I can see someone saying "I will be with you in Colorado, in spirit." People say such all the time. They would be with their friend in spirit even though they are not physically with them.

You haven't seen anything about Jesus' co-rulers in the Scriptures? Well, tell me what you think about these verses:

"They sang a new song, saying: 'You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.'" (Revelation 5:10) So, Jesus is the King, and there are others who will rule with him.

"I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and on their hand. They came to life and ruled as kings with Christ for a thousand years....They will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." (Revelation 20:4 & 6)

If all Christians will be in heaven, what will they rule over? (Matt.5:5---the meek will inherit the earth.) Apparently Jesus had in mind that he and his co-rulers will rule over the meek ones on the earth.