THE FUTURE

[onewithhim]

Haven't we all, at one time or another, wondered what the future will be like? Experts of men have had a spotty reputation as most of their predictions have proved untrue.

What does the Bible tell us? "The God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed....It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever." (Daniel 2:44, Revised Standard Version)

Is this good news? Of course, when we realize what God's Kingdom is. It is a real government that will replace all of the existing governments on the earth and stand forever. Stability and order will be brought to people on the earth. What will life be like under this government?

NO MORE WAR (Psalm 46:9)
NO MORE SICKNESS (Isaiah 33:24)
NO MORE FOOD SHORTAGE (Psalm 72:16)
NO MORE PAIN, SORROW AND DEATH (Revelation 21:4)

These are just some of the promises made in the Bible about God's Kingdom, and there are more. God has promised all these wonderful things for the future. All righteously inclined people can avail themselves of these promises. Does this sound good to you?

[onewithhim]

When Christ ascended to heaven, he established the Kingdom of his Father and caused the feet of the image to break and fall to cause it to topple, and to become as chaff and be blown away; to disappear for good.

The entire image was completely destroyed, made to disappear and replaced. What do you take the image to represent?

a) The Roman Empire
b) All secular governmental rulerships
c) Other... please explain.

It represents the time when the Kingdom of God was established. When Christ ascended into heaven. It gave the King the knowledge that God has a plan to begin his conquest of the minds and hearts of mankind, not with weaponry against mortal men either. The works of men and their Kingdoms or national powers will all be swept away in time, when the KoG is the only Kingdom, as the new earth along with the new heavens.

Who is going to do away with men's governments? The Scripture says that it is Jesus Christ who will do this. (Revelation 19:11-21)

[APAK]

But Daniel 2:44 says that all governments will be destroyed and God's own Kingdom will rule forever. We haven't seen that yet. The stone that struck the other governments is God's government, His Kingdom. It has yet to take over the earth, and, according to the dream of the image, we are living in the time of the last world powers, including the United States and Britain. Look up "immense image" online and see what the image is thought of by most, and they are mostly correct.

No, this one and only verse 44 you are willing to hang your belief on does not say that at all. Read along as it says:
1. In the days of those Kings meaning in the times of Christ not of any future Kingdoms, national powers or its leaders.
2. The Kingdom of God is established (by Christ) and its sovereignty is not of any man, or will be governed by any nation(s), as it is divine, of heaven not of the earth. It is for people of the new realm with new bodies fit for a heavenly paradise, not for human flesh
3. This Kingdom will not, and cannot be destroyed and by strong implication by any man.
4. This Kingdom WILL crush the other 4 Kingdoms and by association all other future national human powers or coalitions.
And in order to do this, the Kingdom began upon Christ's ascension and the stone they rejected will be transformed into a mountain of believers, of the people of God.

The Kingdom had to be established by Christ since his ascension as to grow and mature each believer in their lives, in each generation. He rules today in their hearts, and they will be in the future raised and transformed into a new immortal body, at the end in the new heavens and the new earth.

If the KoG was to be first established in the future when Christ returns, they why does scripture explicitly say he is the King of kings and Lord of lords after he went to heaven.

(Mar 9:1)And he said to them: Truly I say to you: There are some standing here, who shall in no way taste death, before they see the kingdom of God come with power.
Yahshua became King of Kings and Lord of lords when he ascended to heaven.
(1Ti 6:15) In due time He shall reveal him, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

And how do we grow being saved today with the spirit of Christ, indwelt? Do we stay in a type of hibernation state for the future? I do not think so. I know that I'm conforming to the mind and image of Christ today, not in some distant future. I would have to drastically change the way I believe I'm being saved today...

We do not start living and maturing in Christ tomorrow, only once in an immortal state or body, we start the moment we are converted!! And therefore, Christ rules today, not tomorrow, in every genuine believer's heart, for the future state of the new earth or new Eden.

Many as you, and not just the good JWs, also many Pre-mills, who are Unitarians of various kinds, Christadelphians especially, drown out and even discard their value in salvation, TODAY, waiting first for a future destruction of this world and national governance at the expense of their precious and active salvation and its growth today. And that's a real shame. I would never trade my salvation and its value over a recent 200 year old theory in eschatology.

Blessings..

We value Christ's ransom sacrifice for all. He showed his great love for humans and for his Father by succumbing to a horrible death, all for our salvation. He has been Lord of lords, yes. But he didn't set up his Kingdom until, Bible chronology shows us, 1914 when the Gentiles had their chance of proving they could rule the world but their day was over because they failed. Now we are in the last days. The stone out of the mountain has not struck the image yet. It's coming soon. We are now in the feet of this image. The Kingdom will put an end to all of man's governments and it will rule over the earth forever. I really don't know why you find fault with this scenario.

I do know one thing, that when the Mountain of God has reached it maximum size or even showing signs of regression, Christ surely is in the wings for sure. And I think we are only a few generations away. God only knows.

We are in the last moments of the last days. The stone that comes out of the proverbial mountain is ready to strike the feet of the great image of Daniel chapter 2, where we happen to be.

Yes, the two prevailing contending or contentious interpretations of the image of the 4 Kingdoms..

One where the Kingdom is still progressing today, in heaven and on earth, since Christ was on the earth, and the other, that does not even recognize the Kingdom existing today, only for tomorrow.

I wonder which one Jesus would choose as the correct interpretation, the one where he spoke of the Kingdom being at hand many times in different ways, including his apostles and disciples, as the gospel of course was all about the Kingdom being at hand, or the version that he never spoke about, beginning in our future or even later? Jesus and his followers might have used words like 'in the last days,' if it was for the latter interpretation, for clarity I would think.

[onewithhim]

No, this one and only verse 44 you are willing to hang your belief on does not say that at all. Read along as it says:
1. In the days of those Kings meaning in the times of Christ not of any future Kingdoms, national powers or its leaders.
2. The Kingdom of God is established (by Christ) and its sovereignty is not of any man, or will be governed by any nation(s), as it is divine, of heaven not of the earth. It is for people of the new realm with new bodies fit for a heavenly paradise, not for human flesh
3. This Kingdom will not, and cannot be destroyed and by strong implication by any man.
4. This Kingdom WILL crush the other 4 Kingdoms and by association all other future national human powers or coalitions.
And in order to do this, the Kingdom began upon Christ's ascension and the stone they rejected will be transformed into a mountain of believers, of the people of God.

The Kingdom had to be established by Christ since his ascension as to grow and mature each believer in their lives, in each generation. He rules today in their hearts, and they will be in the future raised and transformed into a new immortal body, at the end in the new heavens and the new earth.

If the KoG was to be first established in the future when Christ returns, they why does scripture explicitly say he is the King of kings and Lord of lords after he went to heaven.

(Mar 9:1)And he said to them: Truly I say to you: There are some standing here, who shall in no way taste death, before they see the kingdom of God come with power.
Yahshua became King of Kings and Lord of lords when he ascended to heaven.
(1Ti 6:15) In due time He shall reveal him, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

And how do we grow being saved today with the spirit of Christ, indwelt? Do we stay in a type of hibernation state for the future? I do not think so. I know that I'm conforming to the mind and image of Christ today, not in some distant future. I would have to drastically change the way I believe I'm being saved today...

We do not start living and maturing in Christ tomorrow, only once in an immortal state or body, we start the moment we are converted!! And therefore, Christ rules today, not tomorrow, in every genuine believer's heart, for the future state of the new earth or new Eden.

Many as you, and not just the good JWs, also many Pre-mills, who are Unitarians of various kinds, Christadelphians especially, drown out and even discard their value in salvation, TODAY, waiting first for a future destruction of this world and national governance at the expense of their precious and active salvation and its growth today. And that's a real shame. I would never trade my salvation and its value over a recent 200 year old theory in eschatology.

Blessings..

We value Christ's ransom sacrifice for all. He showed his great love for humans and for his Father by succumbing to a horrible death, all for our salvation. He has been Lord of lords, yes. But he didn't set up his Kingdom until, Bible chronology shows us, 1914 when the Gentiles had their chance of proving they could rule the world but their day was over because they failed. Now we are in the last days. The stone out of the mountain has not struck the image yet. It's coming soon. We are now in the feet of this image. The Kingdom will put an end to all of man's governments and it will rule over the earth forever. I really don't know why you find fault with this scenario.

I do know one thing, that when the Mountain of God has reached it maximum size or even showing signs of regression, Christ surely is in the wings for sure. And I think we are only a few generations away. God only knows.

We are in the last moments of the last days. The stone that comes out of the proverbial mountain is ready to strike the feet of the great image of Daniel chapter 2, where we happen to be.

Yes, the two prevailing contending or contentious interpretations of the image of the 4 Kingdoms..

One where the Kingdom is still progressing today, in heaven and on earth, since Christ was on the earth, and the other, that does not even recognize the Kingdom existing today, only for tomorrow.

I wonder which one Jesus would choose as the correct interpretation, the one where he spoke of the Kingdom being at hand many times in different ways, including his apostles and disciples, as the gospel of course was all about the Kingdom being at hand, or the version that he never spoke about, beginning in our future or even later? Jesus and his followers might have used words like 'in the last days,' if it was for the latter interpretation, for clarity I would think.

Jesus was God's designated King, even before he died and was resurrected. He said to the Pharisees "the Kingdom is in your midst," meaning that he, as the designated King, was there among them. He later ascended to the right hand of God to await the time that God would make his enemies a stool for his feet. (Psalm 110) This apparently happened, according to Bible chronology, in the year 1914 when Jesus took up his active role as King, guiding his congregation on Earth. Soon he will take over the whole earth and rule forever. We are just waiting for the Kingdom to finally get rid of all human governments, which is what is purported in the image of Daniel 2.

[onewithhim]

What a wonderful world it will be when Jesus reigns!!

[onewithhim]

I don't know about you, but what gets me through some pretty tough times is the thought that all this awful stuff that happens to humans on a daily basis will come to an end, and we will see what the real life is. The end of this system is not the end of the world but a new beginning. There are marvelous gifts awaiting us on the other side of Armageddon. All we have to do is accept those promises that are made by God to His people, and stick close to His Son. See what is going to happen when you visit an awesome website that explains what the Bible tells us about the future. www.jw.org