The tree of truth

[Waterfall]

I have been reading the story about Adam and Eve and now I cannot understand what people are talking about...eating of the tree of life? According to this story God do not want people to eat of the tree of life? Is that not why God did this:

After he drove the man out, he placed on the east sidee of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

It seems like God do not want humans to live forever, so there can be no talk about an resurrection of humans. God just want humans to die and perish. Because they did not obey. End of story.

But the story keeps on going? Why is that?

[Waterfall]

Well...then God could just have said...before you do this...eat a banana.

Yes.

Well, I think we have gone about as far as we can on this topic. Thank you for a most agreeable exchange,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I am not sure what you think about the story, so I have a question for you, because do you think God wanted them to eat from the apple tree? I have never thought about the story that way, so...

There is also the time-line of the story (6000 years):

https://www.prb.org/howmanypeoplehaveeverlivedonearth/

This (evolution/progrees) seems to be more in accordence whit this story (5 million years):

http://thelightuniversal.org/page67.html

Both stories (the Bible and Toward the Light) tells us that man was created by intelligent beings.

I do not know the truth about that, so I have to be open about a pure evolution, that is...not 6000 years or 5 millions years. In other words that there was no seperate creation. I most say I find it very difficult to think that way. But maybe God (for some reason) wanted us to have this past.

[JehovahsWitness]

Well...then God could just have said...before you do this...eat a banana.

Yes.

Well, I think we have gone about as far as we can on this topic. Thank you for a most agreeable exchange,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I am not sure what you think about the story, so I have a question for you, because do you think God wanted them to eat from the apple tree?

No Waterfall, I do not believe God wanted them to eat from the tree. I come to that conclusion because we read God commanded them NOT to eat from that tree.

The way I see it if God told them not to eat from the tree it was because he didn't want them to eat from the tree.

Just my opinion,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[polonius]

Most of the material posted here seems to what most historians already accept. The first seven books of the Bible are a Jewish fable written between the 8th and 7th century BC.

So trying to micromanage a belief system based on them is a waste of time.

Though he formally retired three years ago, Dr. Herzog is still active in the field. Since 2005 he has been the Director of the Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, whose faculty includes some of the most sophisticated and intellectually courageous archaeologists in the world.
The article was entitled Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho, and it opened with these words:

This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai. Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people – and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story – now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people’s emergence are radically different from what that story tells.

Clicking on "Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho" in the article, will call up the entire article.

[ttruscott]

...whose faculty includes some of the most sophisticated and intellectually courageous archaeologists in the world.

Just a reminder that "sophisticated and intellectually courageous" does not mean GODly and the secular world has always defined reality differently than the religious world.

I have been without GOD and I have been with GOD and when I was without HIM, I certainly did not accept biblical reality nor religious psychology and always reframed religious reality into secular terms, wrinkling my nose at those who could not see my truth. Now, I do not expect any secular authority to define reality in Biblical terms.

The thesis seems to be that because they are sophisticated and intellectually courageous (whatever this means) they are immune to developing their own false reality in response to sin as explained in Romans 1. I suggest the possibility exists that they can't resist doing so...

[Waterfall]

Well...then God could just have said...before you do this...eat a banana.

Yes.

Well, I think we have gone about as far as we can on this topic. Thank you for a most agreeable exchange,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I am not sure what you think about the story, so I have a question for you, because do you think God wanted them to eat from the apple tree?

No Waterfall, I do not believe God wanted them to eat from the tree. I come to that conclusion because we read God commanded them NOT to eat from that tree.

The way I see it if God told them not to eat from the tree it was because he didn't want them to eat from the tree.

Just my opinion,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I understand your opinion JW.

PA pointed to this article (easy to read and understand):

http://www.truthbeknown.com/biblemyth.htm

But there is also this to think about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible ... ate_a_Past

And then there is this book to be inspired of:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/

Could it be the truth?

[JehovahsWitness]

Could it be the truth?

Thank yo for the links.

As for the truth, I believe that religious truth is only to be found in the bible.

Here is a good book that explains the basic bible teachings
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r ... bhs/E/2015



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[Waterfall]

Could it be the truth?

Thank yo for the links.

As for the truth, I believe that religious truth is only to be found in the bible.

Here is a good book that explains the basic bible teachings
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r ... bhs/E/2015



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

Why do you think that?

Do you think people have to read the bible before they want to live forever? I have always thought we was eternal beings. That we would live on after death. I do not need a book to tell me that. You may say thats because I was born in that country and so on. But lets look at it from your point of veiw. You say we have a God that loves us. But if God loves us then God will keep us alive. Like you would do with the ones you love. In other words...you would not say one thing and do another thing. God is not like us. God has all the time in the world and has nothing to be afraid of.

When I look at the hare krishna movement...then I think...what a wonderfull life...that I would like to experience...why was I not born there? We cant all have the same body, so...but that still do not answer the question...why you in this body and not me? Who desides that?

And thank you for the link:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r ... bhs/E/2015

But what about these questions:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a01.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a02.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a03.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm

[JehovahsWitness]

Could it be the truth?

Thank yo for the links.

As for the truth, I believe that religious truth is only to be found in the bible.

Here is a good book that explains the basic bible teachings
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r ... bhs/E/2015



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

Why do you think that?

Because I believe the bible is the word of God and only God can say for sure about certain things such as what happens at Death? What is the purpose of life? What is God's name ect.


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

And thank you for the link:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r ... bhs/E/2015

But what about these questions:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a01.htm
Has God Existed through all Eternity?
BIBLE ANSWER:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014569


Is God a Personal Being?
BIBLE ANSWER:
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... ods-force/


http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a02.htm
2. How did the Angels Enter the Kingdom of God, and what is their Relationship to God?
BIBLE ANSWER:
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... re-angels/


http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a03.htm
3. How and for what Purpose did God Create the Globes of the Universe?
BIBLE ANSWER
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/book ... the-earth/



http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm
4. Were Human Beings Created by God?
BIBLE ANSWER
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/book ... t_index]=3



From where and for what Reason have Sin and Death Come to Afflict the Human Race?
BIBLE ANSWER
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... eople-die/

I've linked to the answers to all your questions. If you need more links feel free to ask,


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

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[Waterfall]

[Replying to post 39 by JehovahsWitness]

Thank you for the links.

I am not sure you are reading the answers to?

Here we have TTL (Toward the Light) answer:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a01.htm

I will point to the commentary also (for clarification):

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko01.htm

And here we have TW (The watchtower) answer:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014569

I am not sure TW answers anything?

God is eternal...yes...and? God has always existed...yes...and? Nobody created God...yes...and? Does it answer the question? What are we asking about? When did God move? Why did God move? Has God always been on the move? What did God do yesterday? And the day before? And the day before? Did God pop out of nothing? One day God was there...eternal and so on...and then God created the heaven and the earth...what are we asking about? Or wondering about?