What is "The Good News?"

[EBA]

Tell me, what is "The Good News?"

Peace be to all.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 299 by JehovahsWitness]

What was read and agreed to at the dedication of the second Temple?

God himself orchestrated Jesus's death in accordance to s predetermined plan that existed beefore creation itself.

I'd give the text but what would be the point. You uphold the JW position over the texts regardless.

[JehovahsWitness]

I'd give the text but what would be the point. You uphold the JW position over the texts regardless.

I never disregard scripture. Post away, if I feel like writing a comment on them I will be happy to do so.

JW

[postroad]

[Replying to post 301 by JehovahsWitness]

I'm still waiting on a reply regarding what was read and agreed to by those standing in front of the second Temple.

[EBA]

It's the latter. The "unsaved" are cast into the lake of fire and die instantly -- never to live again.

That is not true; people are not resurrected only to be annihilated. And though that widely believed myth is a trillion times more humane than eternal torture, it is nevertheless unscriptural.
Peace.

That's correct, no one is resurrected only for the purpose of being annihilated.

The vast majority of humans who have ever lived never heard the true Good News of the scriptures.

Humans who died as Christians will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual life at the Second Coming.

This I disagree with. In fact, I would say most Christians will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

Nonbelievers will be resurrected as humans a thousand years later.

Again I disagree, I don’t think anyone is going to be resurrected as a human, but I would like to understand why you believe this.

The main reason nonbelievers are being resurrected is to hear the good news and then make an informed choice between everlasting life or everlasting death.

Is this a learned opinion or do you believe the Word of God teaches this?

Peace.

[myth-one.com]

. . . no one is resurrected only for the purpose of being annihilated.

The vast majority of humans who have ever lived never heard the true Good News of the scriptures.

Humans who died as Christians will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual life at the Second Coming.

This I disagree with. In fact, I would say most Christians will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

Christian: One who believes in Jesus Christ as his or her Savior.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Why would Christians, or believers, be cast into the lake of fire?

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Nonbelievers will be resurrected as humans a thousand years later.

Again I disagree, I don’t think anyone is going to be resurrected as a human, but I would like to understand why you believe this.

I believe it because that is what the scriptures state:

It is appointed unto every human once to die:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

Likewise, it is appointed that all humans who ever lived and died, will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

So all humans who ever died will be made alive again, or resurrected. All includes both believers and nonbelievers!

However, all will not be resurrected at the same time. There will be an order to the resurrections:

But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:23)

So Jesus will be resurrected first, and that has already occurred.

The resurrection which we presently await is the one at which those "that are Christ's" will be resurrected. Those "that are Christ's" refers to Christians. This resurrection for all Christians will occur at the Second Coming, or "at his coming."

All dead Christians are resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life (or born again) at this first resurrection. Christians who are alive on the earth when Jesus returns will be born again as spirits and meet Him in the air:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

At this point after the first resurrection, all whose names were written in the Book of Life have received their inheritance of everlasting spiritual bodied life:

He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (Revelation 2:11)

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (Revelation 3:5)

They will then enjoy the millennium with Jesus:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

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The main reason nonbelievers are being resurrected is to hear the good news and then make an informed choice between everlasting life or everlasting death.

Is this a learned opinion or do you believe the Word of God teaches this?

It's from the Word of God!

After the 1000 year Millennium, the second resurrection for all dead nonbelievers occurs:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:4)

Everyone raised in this second resurrection will face the great white throne judgment as all have sinned and are all headed for the second death.

The judgment will hold them responsible for their behavior as humans and some may see that God's plan for them was better than their way of life.

Satan is locked away during this time, the scriptures are unsealed, and these nonbelievers are preached the true good news of the scriptures.

Following the judgment, the Book of Life is checked again:

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)

Why check the book if all names in the book were serviced prior to the second resurrection, and everyone resurrected at the second resurrection was headed for the second death?

The book had been cleared, as all believers who had their names written in the Book of Life had been granted everlasting life at the Second Coming.

Would God raise these nonbelievers again as physical bodies only to humiliate them during their judgment before casting them into the lake of fire? Why bother raising them from the dead only to inflict another painful physical death upon them? This flies in the face of "God is love." If the nonbelievers are being resurrected to be humiliated by judgment before being killed a second time, why not simply allow them to remain dead?

Of course, God is love, and He is raising the nonbelievers for a reason! One event prophesied to occur before the end of time is that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

Billions or trillions of people have died never having the opportunity to accept Jesus as their Savior. These nonbelievers are raised again as mortals during the second resurrection and given that opportunity! The majority of all people who have ever lived have never, ever, heard the true message of the Holy Scriptures, even in the United States. Remember that the scriptures have been very successfully sealed until the end of time! At this time these people will hear the true message for the first time from angels, including Christians born again as spirits in the first resurrection, with Satan and all of his myths and lies totally defeated. Most people have never been given a choice based on Biblical truth! Their choice was based on myths and fear.

Those times will be over!

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

The only possible reason to check the book again is that the book of life has changed!

The names of those who have repented and believed in Jesus during their judgment have been added to the book.

That is why the book is checked again.

Those accepting Jesus as Lord will then be born again of the Spirit into everlasting life, and those choosing death over life will be granted a quick and everlasting second death.

Our first death is appointed

Our second is optional.

[EBA]

. . . no one is resurrected only for the purpose of being annihilated.

The vast majority of humans who have ever lived never heard the true Good News of the scriptures.

Humans who died as Christians will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual life at the Second Coming.

This I disagree with. In fact, I would say most Christians will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

Christian: One who believes in Jesus Christ as his or her Savior.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Why would Christians, or believers, be cast into the lake of fire?

One reason is they don’t know who Christ is.
Another reason is that they don’t believe Christ i.e. The Word of God.

Do you know that Christ is “The Book of Life?�

Do you know that Christ is the Savior of the World?

Do you believe he will save the world?
Apparently not; you seem to think that people get to choose salvation.

Do you believe Christ died or do you think that only his body died and that his soul was off preaching in hell or elsewhere?

I’ll tell you something that most (and I mean most) of Christianity doesn’t know.

Christ is the Lake of Fire!

Peace.

[myth-one.com]

Why would Christians, or believers, be cast into the lake of fire?

One reason is they don’t know who Christ is.

Another reason is that they don’t believe Christ i.e. The Word of God.

People who don't know who Christ is, or don't believe in Christ, are not Christians.

Do you know that Christ is “The Book of Life?�

No, Christ is the "Tree of Life."

Do you know that Christ is the Savior of the World?

Christ make salvation of the world possible.

Do you believe he will save the world?

The physical earth will be replaced with what Jesus is preparing now.

As for all of the inhabitants of the world, I don't believe that all will be saved.

Apparently not; you seem to think that people get to choose salvation.

Of course people must choose to accept or reject salvation. God will not force everlasting life on any of us -- it must be our individual choice. God recommends that we choose life:

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: (Deuteronomy 30:19)

Do you believe Christ died or do you think that only his body died and that his soul was off preaching in hell or elsewhere?

Christ was the Word made flesh as a man. He was a physical bodied being and He died.

I’ll tell you something that most (and I mean most) of Christianity doesn’t know.

Christ is the Lake of Fire!

You're probably the only one who "knows" that!

Christ is not the lake of fire!

Christ is the Tree of Life!

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7)

Man will individually be allowed to eat of the tree of life and live forever if they so choose, by accepting Jesus as their Savior.

Man was separated from the Tree of Life in Genesis so that he could not eat from it and live forever:

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. (Genesis 3:22-23)

The Tree of Life will return and be available to believers.

It is now in the "midst of the paradise of God" in Heaven. But He's coming back.

[EBA]

Do you know that Christ is “The Book of Life?�

No, Christ is the "Tree of Life."

Yes, he is most certainly is the Tree of Life and the Bread of Life and the Water of Life and the Fountain of Life and the Prince of Life and also the Book of Life.

Do you know that Christ is the Savior of the World?

Christ make salvation of the world possible.

Not just possible, inevitable.

1 Jn 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. (not the possible Saviour of the world)

John 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. (not just a smal percentage of the world)

Do you believe he will save the world?

The physical earth will be replaced with what Jesus is preparing now.

As for all of the inhabitants of the world, I don't believe that all will be saved.

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22)

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL men, specially of those that believe. (1Ti 4:10)

Apparently not; you seem to think that people get to choose salvation.

Of course people must choose to accept or reject salvation. God will not force everlasting life on any of us -- it must be our individual choice. God recommends that we choose life:

And if we don’t choose?
Are we FORCED to choose?

I’ll tell you something that most (and I mean most) of Christianity doesn’t know.

Christ is the Lake of Fire!

You're probably the only one who "knows" that!

No, there are a FEW who know this.

Christ is not the lake of fire!

Christ most certainly is:

1Co 3:13-15
Every man's work shall be made manifest:for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as BY FIRE.

Peace.

[myth-one.com]

Do you know that Christ is “The Book of Life?�

No, Christ is the "Tree of Life."

Yes, he is most certainly is the Tree of Life and the Bread of Life and the Water of Life and the Fountain of Life and the Prince of Life and also the Book of Life.

And those whose names are written in the Book of Life will be allowed to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever -- thanks to the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.

Do you know that Christ is the Savior of the World?

Christ make salvation of the world possible.

Not just possible, inevitable.

By "Savior of the world," do you mean that the entire world will or must be saved?

. . . you seem to think that people get to choose salvation.

Of course people must choose to accept or reject salvation. God will not force everlasting life on any of us -- it must be our individual choice.

And if we don’t choose?
Are we FORCED to choose?

"Choosing not to choose" is choosing not to believe.

Christ is the Lake of Fire!

Christ is not the lake of fire!

Christ most certainly is:

1Co 3:13-15
Every man's work shall be made manifest:for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as BY FIRE.

That's your proof that Christ is the lake of fire?

Nonbelievers are going to be cast into Christ?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Christ?). (Revelation 20:15)

And the devil is going to be tormented for ever and ever in Christ?

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire (Christ?) and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:7-10)

[myth-one.com]

Do you know that Christ is “The Book of Life?�

No, Christ is the "Tree of Life."

Yes, he is most certainly is the Tree of Life and the Bread of Life and the Water of Life and the Fountain of Life and the Prince of Life and also the Book of Life.

And those whose names are written in the Book of Life will be allowed to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever -- thanks to the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.

Do you know that Christ is the Savior of the World?

Christ make salvation of the world possible.

Not just possible, inevitable.

By "Savior of the world," do you mean that the entire world will or must be saved?

. . . you seem to think that people get to choose salvation.

Of course people must choose to accept or reject salvation. God will not force everlasting life on any of us -- it must be our individual choice.

And if we don’t choose?
Are we FORCED to choose?

"Choosing not to choose" is choosing not to believe.

Christ is the Lake of Fire!

Christ is not the lake of fire!

Christ most certainly is:

1Co 3:13-15
Every man's work shall be made manifest:for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as BY FIRE.

That's your proof that Christ is the lake of fire?

Are nonbelievers going to be cast into Christ?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Christ?). (Revelation 20:15)

And is the devil going to be tormented for ever and ever in Christ?

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire (Christ?) and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:7-10)