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So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?Luke 16:
6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.
(I explained all this previously, yet I get criticized for saying that people don't read the posts.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 405 by onewithhim]
"The resurrected ones".We are talking, after all is said and done, about the real life---the life that will never end.
The resurrected ones that find themselves alive during the Millennium will not have achieved ETERNAL LIFE until the end of the Millennium when Satan is let out to try and draw people after him for the last time, and those that resist him will THEN be given ETERNAL LIFE. They didn't have it before they were tested the final time.
Who are these people? Will they perhaps include you? Me?
"that find themselves alive". Are these "the rest of the dead"?
Jehovah'sWitness also posted many links to answer these questions.) Anyway, your questions are good, and have been the subject of many discussions and presentations from Kingdom proclaimers.You have some serious problems with your scenario. The 144,000 are marked to protect them from the affects of opening up the bottomless pit. (Revelation 7:3 & 9:3-4). Those who rule with “Christ� are those who were “beheaded�, etc. The 144,000 lives are protected through the judgment day, and therefore are not listed among those who have been “beheaded�. (Revelation 20:4) Plus the JW have the mark of the beast, which precludes ruling with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4).onewithhim wrote:(I explained all this previously, yet I get criticized for saying that people don't read the posts.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 405 by onewithhim]
"The resurrected ones".We are talking, after all is said and done, about the real life---the life that will never end.
The resurrected ones that find themselves alive during the Millennium will not have achieved ETERNAL LIFE until the end of the Millennium when Satan is let out to try and draw people after him for the last time, and those that resist him will THEN be given ETERNAL LIFE. They didn't have it before they were tested the final time.
Who are these people? Will they perhaps include you? Me?
"that find themselves alive". Are these "the rest of the dead"?
There are 2 resurrections, technically. We see this because of mentions like Revelation 20:6. The first resurrection involves the anointed chosen ones (144,000) that will rule with Christ in his government. The second resurrection is everyone else, all the billions of people who will live on the earth and have the hope of living here forever. If you or I were to die, we would be among those who experience the 2nd resurrection, back on to the earth.
So:
1.) First Resurrection.....144,000 rulers in Christ's government, given immortality before Armageddon. They will have "come to life" at that time. They will be in the position to live forever.
2.) Second Resurrection.....Billions who will stand up again on the earth, but who must wait until after the final test at the end of the thousand years before being eligible for everlasting life. That is why the scripture says that they "come to life" after the thousand years. They choose to obey God rather than go with Satan. (Rev.20:7,8) Then they receive the gift of on-going, eternal life. So their "coming to life" will be a thousand years after the 144,000 come to life.
They do?Plus the JW have the mark of the beast, which precludes ruling with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4).
JehovahsWitness wrote:Since we are meticulously defining, it should be noted that "operate" can be both transitive and intransitive. "We operate machinery" is a transitive usage.operating
intransitive verb
As we have seen elsewhere, the kingdom of God has many mansions of meaning, even resembling a mustard seed. It is a shame to hijack one interpretation and claim it is Christ's.
Well it would be helpful if you understood (Daniel 12:10) who the beast and his two horns like a lamb were. Once that is established, things become clear. The beast with two horns like a lamb was the "another" of Daniel 7:25, and was Constantine, who subdued 3 kings to consolidate Rome under his rule. He instituted the Roman church at his convened Council of Nicaea, where he intended to "make alterations in the times and in law". He changed the law of one God into 3 gods, and per his decree of 321 AD changed the day of rest from the Sabbath to the day of the sun, in honor of his sun god, Sol Invictus. Constantine's Roman church, was a daughter of Babylon, and followed the pagan gods under different names. Constantine's church was built on Peter and Paul. Peter was the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, and Paul was the "staff " "Favor", and both were take to "pasture the flock doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7), which would be the "Christian" church, and its pursuit of the false prophet's false gospel of grace/cross. The sign being the sign given by Sol Invictus at the battle of Milvian bridge in 312 AD, which was the sign of the cross, by which Constantine was to go out and conquer the world under that sign. While Constantine's man Friday, Eusebuis, rewrote that story, the story remains written in the coin of Rome, whereas Sol Invictus image was minted on the Roman coins of 313 AD.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 410 by showme]
They do?Plus the JW have the mark of the beast, which precludes ruling with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4).
How come?
What do you mean Jehovah's Witnesses have "the mark of the beast"? I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, are you saying I have "the mark of the beast", what do you mean by that?showme wrote: Plus the JW have the mark of the beast, which precludes ruling with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4).
Certainly you have the mark of the beast. See my previous post for the explanation. Those with the mark of the beast include "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14), so you certainly are not alone.JehovahsWitness wrote:What do you mean Jehovah's Witnesses have "the mark of the beast"? I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, are you saying I have "the mark of the beast", what do you mean by that?showme wrote: Plus the JW have the mark of the beast, which precludes ruling with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4).
I think someone doesn't know what 'beasts' represent in the Bible. They don't represent religions. They represent governments. Jehovah's Witnesses avoid serving in government positions or fighting for them. When a government tells us to stop our worship or lose our property if we don't do as they say, we resist. So the mark of the beast, I don't think so. We do not seek the permission or approval (accept a mark) of governments about who or how to worship. (Unlike religions in places like Russia who are certainly marked with the mark of the beast)JehovahsWitness wrote:What do you mean Jehovah's Witnesses have "the mark of the beast"? I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, are you saying I have "the mark of the beast", what do you mean by that?showme wrote: Plus the JW have the mark of the beast, which precludes ruling with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4).
showme wrote:JehovahsWitness wrote:What do you mean Jehovah's Witnesses have "the mark of the beast"? I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, are you saying I have "the mark of the beast", what do you mean by that?showme wrote: Plus the JW have the mark of the beast, which precludes ruling with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4).
Your previous post doesn't nothing to explain what the mark of the beast is or why you believe I have it.
JW
What do you think it means by "dwell on the earth" surely not simply, those humans that live on planet earth (since I presume YOU also are a human currenty living planet earth). It must mean something else in your opinion, do you feel in a position to say what "those who dwell on the earth" means?showme wrote: Those with the mark of the beast include "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14), so you certainly are not alone.
