When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?
If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.
Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Paradise on Earth
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #451[Replying to post 449 by onewithhim]
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Bible vs science... again
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Bible vs science... again
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That's precisely why I titled the post "Bible vs science again".onewithhim wrote:
Jehovah, IMHO, will never let the sun become anything other than what it is now.
That is the faith I have in God.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #452The Bible is not AGAINST Science. Science explains so much about our fabulous universe. Without it we wouldn't know ANYTHING about the sun! I accept what Science has discovered about the sun, and then my faith kicks in when I believe that the sun will always be exactly as hot as it is now. You see, I don't think that humans just happened to appear on this planet by chance. I think they were put here by a Creator, and I don't think that He will allow His greatest creation to be destroyed. That isn't logical.Blastcat wrote: [Replying to post 449 by onewithhim]
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That's precisely why I titled the post "Bible vs science again".onewithhim wrote:
Jehovah, IMHO, will never let the sun become anything other than what it is now.
That is the faith I have in God.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #453[Replying to post 452 by onewithhim]
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That's one of the bad effects that religions have.
But faith isn't logical either.. so whatarwegonnado?
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True, the Bible was written way before that even existed, so it couldn't BE against or for it. That's why the stories have gods and demons, instead of scientific explanations for things. But some religionists are definitely against science all the while claiming to be for it.
That's one of the bad effects that religions have.
Yup. Until it upsets some religionist's beliefs, and then science is out the door.
It's too bad that your faith kicks science out that way.onewithhim wrote:
Without it we wouldn't know ANYTHING about the sun! I accept what Science has discovered about the sun, and then my faith kicks in when I believe that the sun will always be exactly as hot as it is now.
So much for science, you rely on faith, don't you?onewithhim wrote:
You see, I don't think that humans just happened to appear on this planet by chance.
Fortunately, science uses more than logic, it relies on evidence.
But faith isn't logical either.. so whatarwegonnado?
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Post #454
We recognize that there is a great deal of "faith" in both Scientists' views and theists' views. Neither group can prove absolutely that their views are solid fact. One would have to show a video of God creating the universe to prove one viewpoint, and the other would have to show in an experiment how life can come from non-life, and then follow it from a molecule all the way up to animals and man. Neither of these things is possible.
Post #455
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That's religious propaganda, of course.
A lot of people are intent to bring the Bible into the 21rst century, and for that, they need some science.
One way to bridge the gap between ancient ideas about the world and our modern science is to say that science uses the same method as religion does, which is FAITH, I presume.
So, they say that scientists use FAITH on the job.
But there is a bit of a snag because OH NO, THEY DON'T.
Faith is NOT a scientific method.
Faith is a religious method to acquire information, apparently.
No. It's not "therefore God".
That's another example of the argument from ignorance, which you don't seem to care about much. I told you often that it's a fallacious argument, I told you to look it up. Instead, you try what just can't work over and over again.
And it fails, over and over again.
Sorry.
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Yeah, we get a lot of that in here...onewithhim wrote:
We recognize that there is a great deal of "faith" in both Scientists' views and theists' views.
That's religious propaganda, of course.
A lot of people are intent to bring the Bible into the 21rst century, and for that, they need some science.
One way to bridge the gap between ancient ideas about the world and our modern science is to say that science uses the same method as religion does, which is FAITH, I presume.
So, they say that scientists use FAITH on the job.
But there is a bit of a snag because OH NO, THEY DON'T.
Faith is NOT a scientific method.
Science IS NOT in the business of pretending to know anything in an ABSOLUTE way. Maybe a little bit of research into actual scientific methods might clear this up for you.
Faith is a religious method to acquire information, apparently.
SO therefore God?onewithhim wrote:
One would have to show a video of God creating the universe to prove one viewpoint, and the other would have to show in an experiment how life can come from non-life, and then follow it from a molecule all the way up to animals and man. Neither of these things is possible.
No. It's not "therefore God".
That's another example of the argument from ignorance, which you don't seem to care about much. I told you often that it's a fallacious argument, I told you to look it up. Instead, you try what just can't work over and over again.
And it fails, over and over again.
Sorry.
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Post #456
I came across a delightful sentence in my book of Sherlock Holmes stories. It reminded me of the joy one might look forward to during Jesus' Millennial Reign. Mr. Holmes said: "Off to violin-land, where all is sweetness, and delicacy, and harmony, and there are no red-headed clients to vex us with their conundrums."
I liked it so much that I thought it might express my own delight in Paradise:
"Off to Paradise, where all is sweetness, and delicacy, and harmony, and there are no curmudgeons there to vex us with their conundrums."
I love the way Sir Arthur Conan Doyle expresses things.
I liked it so much that I thought it might express my own delight in Paradise:
"Off to Paradise, where all is sweetness, and delicacy, and harmony, and there are no curmudgeons there to vex us with their conundrums."
I love the way Sir Arthur Conan Doyle expresses things.
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We sure could be happy with both.
Like fairy tales before we go to sleep.
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Two quite blissful fantasies.onewithhim wrote:
"Off to violin-land, where all is sweetness, and delicacy, and harmony, and there are no red-headed clients to vex us with their conundrums."
"Off to Paradise, where all is sweetness, and delicacy, and harmony, and there are no curmudgeons there to vex us with their conundrums."
We sure could be happy with both.
Like fairy tales before we go to sleep.
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Post #458
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If there IS a God and he inspired the Bible as a letter to humans, you would think that God would make sure that the Bible would be important world-wide and available to just about everybody. Do we see this today? Yes. The Bible has been the number one best-seller since records started being kept. And it is available everywhere.
I, for one, am delighted with the promises that God gives us in the Bible. An earth with no more pain and suffering, where people can live up to their full potential without old age, diseases, wars, famine, and all manner of suffering. Our Earth will finally be what God intended it to be when he created it.
"Evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth....The meek shall inherit the earth, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace." (Psalm 37:9,11, KJV)
What do you look forward to?
If there IS a God and he inspired the Bible as a letter to humans, you would think that God would make sure that the Bible would be important world-wide and available to just about everybody. Do we see this today? Yes. The Bible has been the number one best-seller since records started being kept. And it is available everywhere.
I, for one, am delighted with the promises that God gives us in the Bible. An earth with no more pain and suffering, where people can live up to their full potential without old age, diseases, wars, famine, and all manner of suffering. Our Earth will finally be what God intended it to be when he created it.
"Evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth....The meek shall inherit the earth, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace." (Psalm 37:9,11, KJV)
What do you look forward to?
Post #459
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Therefore, the stories are all true?
If you really insist on believing that just because a book is popular, that the stories in it are all true.. well.. I can't stop you from doing that big honking mistake.
Popularity isn't what I consider a criteria for the truth of a story.
Do you know WHY the form of your argument has a Latin name?
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onewithhim wrote:
If there IS a God and he inspired the Bible as a letter to humans, you would think that God would make sure that the Bible would be important world-wide and available to just about everybody. Do we see this today? Yes.
Therefore, the stories are all true?
If you really insist on believing that just because a book is popular, that the stories in it are all true.. well.. I can't stop you from doing that big honking mistake.
Popularity isn't what I consider a criteria for the truth of a story.
Do you know WHY the form of your argument has a Latin name?
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Post #460
I know what ad nauseum means, and it applies to my repeated logic that continues to fall on deaf ears. I use logic, but you won't let me have the satisfaction of thinking that I have made a good point. I didn't say that just because a book is popular, it is proved true. I said IF there is a God (IF), wouldn't he make his message available to the whole world? Wouldn't he see to it that his message was FOREMOST on the list of books that humans have access to? Just a logic question. I would think that you or anyone else who is interested in logic would concede as much.Blastcat wrote: [Replying to post 458 by onewithhim]
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onewithhim wrote:
If there IS a God and he inspired the Bible as a letter to humans, you would think that God would make sure that the Bible would be important world-wide and available to just about everybody. Do we see this today? Yes.
Therefore, the stories are all true?
If you really insist on believing that just because a book is popular, that the stories in it are all true.. well.. I can't stop you from doing that big honking mistake.
Popularity isn't what I consider a criteria for the truth of a story.
Do you know WHY the form of your argument has a Latin name?
