Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

[polonius]

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

There is some claim that really occurred in 1914. But it didn't. So, what's the claim now?

www.britannica.com/topic/Jehovahs-Witnesses

The Adventist movement emerged in the 1830s around the predictions of William Miller, who proclaimed that Jesus Christ would return in 1843 or 1844.

When Christ did not return as Miller prophecied, Adventists divided into a number of factions.

During the 1870s, Charles Taze Russell established himself as an independent and controversial Adventist teacher.

He rejected belief in hell as a place of eternal torment and adopted a non-Trinitarian theology that denied the divinity of Jesus. He also interpreted the Second Coming in accordance with the literal translation of the original Greek term, parousia (presence), suggesting that Christ would come as an invisible presence and that the Parousia, or Millennial Dawn, already had occurred, in 1874.

The coming of Christs invisible presence signaled the end of the current order of society and would be followed by his visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth in 1914.

Although the kingdom did not come, Russells teachings motivated a number of volunteers to circulate his many books and pamphlets and a periodical, The Watchtower, and to recalculate the time of the Parousia.

So when will Christ's visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth occur?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 49 by Checkpoint]

Ah, thanks for the info. Why did Armstrong start observing the Sabbath? You said that "that Sunday was the Sabbath." The Sabbath was on Saturday, wasn't it?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 49 by Checkpoint]

Ah, thanks for the info. Why did Armstrong start observing the Sabbath? You said that "that Sunday was the Sabbath." The Sabbath was on Saturday, wasn't it?

"Sunday was the Sabbath" was what Armstrong first thought, not what I said.

His Bible study had convinced him he was wrong, so he began to observe it.

By the way, we start each day at midnight, whereas God starts it at sunset!

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 49 by Checkpoint]

Ah, thanks for the info. Why did Armstrong start observing the Sabbath? You said that "that Sunday was the Sabbath." The Sabbath was on Saturday, wasn't it?

For the same reason many have come to observe it. Its one of the 10 commands from God. The change to Sunday was a Roman thing not backed up by the bible at all. God never changed the day of His rest. Israelites added unnecessary rules and prohibitions but God's day hasn't changed.

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 49 by Checkpoint]

Ah, thanks for the info. Why did Armstrong start observing the Sabbath? You said that "that Sunday was the Sabbath." The Sabbath was on Saturday, wasn't it?

"Sunday was the Sabbath" was what Armstrong first thought, not what I said.

His Bible study had convinced him he was wrong, so he began to observe it.

By the way, we start each day at midnight, whereas God starts it at sunset!

Yes, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 49 by Checkpoint]

Ah, thanks for the info. Why did Armstrong start observing the Sabbath? You said that "that Sunday was the Sabbath." The Sabbath was on Saturday, wasn't it?

"Sunday was the Sabbath" was what Armstrong first thought, not what I said.

His Bible study had convinced him he was wrong, so he began to observe it.

By the way, we start each day at midnight, whereas God starts it at sunset!

Yes, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Correct, that is the Sabbath day.

Good clarification of what I failed to make abundantly clear.

Thanks.

[myth-one.com]

Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042.

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

That's not what He said.

He listed signs which must occur before the Parousia could occur.

When these signs have all been seen, the end is near.

[JehovahsWitness]

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042.

Would you be so kind as to explain the bases for the above?

Thanks

[polonius]

Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042.

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

That's not what He said.

He listed signs which must occur before the Parousia could occur.

When these signs have all been seen, the end is near.

RESPONSE:

That's exactly what he said to both Matthew and Luke. In another gospel he said that his apostles would not visit all the towns in Israel before he returned. And he told the chief priest at his trial that he would return during the chief priest's lifetime.

Paul in 1 Thessalonian's says that the present generation would see Jesus' return.
But he was wrong on all prophecies about his return. Look it up!

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 55 by myth-one.com]

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042.

Yes of course; how did I miss that?

Someone has the corner on "God's prophecy clock"?

Too many folks never do learn the nearly 2000 year-old history lesson.

[myth-one.com]

Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042.

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

That's not what He said.

He listed signs which must occur before the Parousia could occur.

When these signs have all been seen, the end is near.

RESPONSE:

That's exactly what he said to both Matthew and Luke.

Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

Between mark 13:4 and Mark 13:30 Jesus lists many signs of the Second Coming. Then he states:

Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Earlier in the book of Mark, Jesus made another reference to "this generation":

And he (Jesus) sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

If Jesus' generation would receive no sign, then "this generation" that shall not pass as used in Matthew, Mark and Luke refers to the generation which witnesses the signs Jesus listed -- not Jesus' generation!

Jesus' generation would be given no sign.