Jesus is Lord!
I have seen this on bumper stickers, TV and the internet, but I'm not quite sure what it means.
It seems to be saying that Jesus and the God are the same thing, is this correct?
Jesus is Lord?
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Post #61man wrote: Jesus is Lord!
I have seen this on bumper stickers, TV and the internet, but I'm not quite sure what it means.
It seems to be saying that Jesus and the God are the same thing, is this correct?
It means he's the boss, like the lord of a castle. Luke 6:46: ""Why do you keep calling me 'Lord, Lord,' but don't do what I tell you?"
So, maybe, "My invisible friend is bigger than your invisible friend." Or maybe, "(Since my way is god's way) if you don't do things my way, god'll getcha for that."
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Post #62The problem with statements such as this, which want so hard to refute Trinitarianism, is that they don't, since Trinitarians do not believe in 3 Gods. What is the point of arguing against a position they do not hold. The eminent theologian Tertullian believed simply because it was impossible and that's the thing about a mystery. If you say: it cannot be so, you may as well forget the Resurrection and the Ascension. You too accept what seems impossible, so it is unfair to be selective in what you choose to accept.onewithhim wrote:
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Add them up. A God + a God + a God = THREE Gods
Trinitarians thus believe in three Gods. That is polytheism. It contradicts the Bible. I believe that there is ONE God, and that is the Father only, just as Jesus said.
I understand your frustration. Boundless faith in one's own position can blind us to other avenues of thought. The difference between you and me is I am arguing from textual interpretation and not from faith. Your words have hardly fallen on deaf ears, since I have faithfully read your quotes and responded to them. One might say that if your arguments are too weak to convince another debater, then perhaps it is time to strengthen or abandon them.onewithhim wrote:
Your arguments are so perplexing (and other adjectives which I will refrain from using) that I am going to stop trying to help you to see. Anything I say falls on deaf ears. How can God be Jesus when he is repeatedly DIFFERENTIATED from "God" over and over again? "There is ONE GOD
Post #63
Commas, of course, are notorious creatures when it comes to Biblical interpretation. Yes, the text sets the Father in apposition to God and grammatically the comma is justified. Taking the passage as Paul has given it, there is no problem for Trinitarians, since they too accept there is one God, the Father. Paul's take on Jesus, through whom are all things, is reminiscent of "and without him was made nothing that was made."tigger2 wrote:
1 Cor. 8:6 - “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by [ lit . ‘through’ - dia ] whom are all things, and we exist through [ dia ] Him.� - NASB. Bracketed information added.
Notice that there is a comma before and after 'the Father.' These commas set off ‘the Father’ from the word ‘God’ and supply a further explanation or description of it. In other words, ‘God’ here is described or explained by its appositive (‘the Father’).
But there is an obvious problem regarding the nature of Jesus and the Holy Spirit and - mystery though it is - the Trinity appears to accommodate the problem. One God remains, as stated.
You've pointed out the nuances in trying to get Paul's meaning and you've justified the Trinitarian case well enough.
Post #65
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I expected there would be some disagreement over what Jesus is Lord means.
Some say if Jesus and god are not the same thing the door is open to a polytheistic interpretation.
On the other hand, if Jesus and god are the same thing that would remove the polytheistic interpretation, but that would also mean Jesus made his own mother pregnant.
Jesus making his own mother pregnant is incestuous and incredibly narcissistic.
No matter how you slice it Jesus is Lord is NOT a good thing.
I expected there would be some disagreement over what Jesus is Lord means.
Some say if Jesus and god are not the same thing the door is open to a polytheistic interpretation.
On the other hand, if Jesus and god are the same thing that would remove the polytheistic interpretation, but that would also mean Jesus made his own mother pregnant.
Jesus making his own mother pregnant is incestuous and incredibly narcissistic.
No matter how you slice it Jesus is Lord is NOT a good thing.
Post #66
I suggest that the Creator of all existence and everything that livesman wrote:
On the other hand, if Jesus and god are the same thing that would remove the polytheistic interpretation, but that would also mean Jesus made his own mother pregnant.
Jesus making his own mother pregnant is incestuous and incredibly narcissistic.
No matter how you slice it Jesus is Lord is NOT a good thing.
has means of performing of what we'd term miracles.
God as He is in Himself is the Very Life.
Everything that lives has life FROM Him.
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Post #67
Indeed. And they all mean the same thing: "there is one God who is the Father." The Father ALONE.tigger2 wrote: Marco, post 51 wrote
Your other quotes such as:
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
simply indicate what Trinitarians accept - there is ONE God.
It, like John 17:1, 3, is clearly calling the Father alone the ONE God.
1 Cor. 8:6 - “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by [ lit . ‘through’ - dia ] whom are all things, and we exist through [ dia ] Him.� - NASB. Bracketed information added.
Notice that there is a comma before and after 'the Father.' These commas set off ‘the Father’ from the word ‘God’ and supply a further explanation or description of it. In other words, ‘God’ here is described or explained by its appositive (‘the Father’). It could be written differently, but with the same meaning, as “yet for us there is but one God, who is the Father.� That is why some trinitarian-translated and trinitarian-published Bibles have translated 1 Cor. 8:6 as follows:
1 Cor. 8:6 - “But for us there is only one God. He is our Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord—Jesus Christ. All things were made through Jesus, and we also have life through him.� - ICB.
1 Cor. 8:6 - “Yet for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things come from him. He is the one for whom we live. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. He made all things. He is the one who gives us life.� - WE (NT).
1 Cor. 8:6 - “for us there is only one God—our Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord—Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also were made through him.� - NCV.
“But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.� - NIRV.
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Post #68
But to say that Jesus and God are the same thing lets the flood in of polytheistic interpretation! Ask any trinitarian: "Is Jesus God?" They will say "yes." Then ask them: "Is the Father God?" They will say "yes." Then ask them: "Is the Holy Spirit God?" They will say "yes."man wrote: To all:
I expected there would be some disagreement over what Jesus is Lord means.
Some say if Jesus and god are not the same thing the door is open to a polytheistic interpretation.
On the other hand, if Jesus and god are the same thing that would remove the polytheistic interpretation, but that would also mean Jesus made his own mother pregnant.
Jesus making his own mother pregnant is incestuous and incredibly narcissistic.
No matter how you slice it Jesus is Lord is NOT a good thing.
Can you add them up? Do you get three Gods?
Post #70
What about things that don’t have life are they FROM Him?Monta wrote:I suggest that the Creator of all existence and everything that livesman wrote:
On the other hand, if Jesus and god are the same thing that would remove the polytheistic interpretation, but that would also mean Jesus made his own mother pregnant.
Jesus making his own mother pregnant is incestuous and incredibly narcissistic.
No matter how you slice it Jesus is Lord is NOT a good thing.
has means of performing of what we'd term miracles.
God as He is in Himself is the Very Life.
Everything that lives has life FROM Him.
