Jehovah's Witnesses...

[Elijah John]

This question is specifically for Jehovah's Witnesses, but anyone is welcome to chime in.

As an organization who understands and appreciates the name of God, Father Jehovah, why regard Paul at all? Someone who places Jesus name above all, even above the name of Father Jehovah?

The Watchtower Society proclaims the name of the LORD Jehovah, Paul? Never. Unless I am missing something.

He seems to equate "the Lord" with "Christ", not YHVH.

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name

Phillippians 2.9

For debate...has Paul put Jesus name above every other name including YHVH's?

If it was God and not Paul who did this, where does YHVH say He would ever do this, putting the Messiah's name above His own?

If not, why doesn't Paul proclaim YHVH's name, only Jesus?

If Paul has put Jesus name above all, why should anyone who loves YHVH consider Paul's writings "Sacred Scripture"?

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 64 by onewithhim]

Check out ancient Egyptian religion. They had a very rich sense of the afterlife, and so, too, the ancient Greeks, and same is true in Buddhism. It's well document that long before Christ, people looked to some sort of heaven and something like a hell.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 70 by hoghead1]

It's well document that long before Christ, people looked to some sort of heaven and something like a hell.

Close but NOT havana cigar not far but not close to where we all are.

It's a little sumthin' sumthin' like a heaven, a little sumthin' like a hell.
Aint the same sumthin' its be on sumthin' else

What's you favorite branch of heaven
What's your favorite twiggy hell

Pick it, pickit well
And please, do tell do tell

Who CARES about fictional places?
They all be like fairy tells.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 64 by onewithhim]

Check out ancient Egyptian religion. They had a very rich sense of the afterlife, and so, too, the ancient Greeks, and same is true in Buddhism. It's well document that long before Christ, people looked to some sort of heaven and something like a hell.

That's true. Pagan religions did have strong belief in the immortality of the soul, which Satan started talking about in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:4). Eve fell for his lies and probably taught it to her children (though Able seemed to be a faithful man to Jehovah). If this lie about an immortal soul had not been given a life of its own back then, there might not have been such a reliance on that teaching in Egyptian and Babylonian thought. But whatever the possibilities may have been, there was indeed that belief in an un-dying soul that had to go through all kinds of tests in the netherworld. There was that belief in the supernatural world, but I don't think the pagans had a belief in heaven just like what Jesus presented.

The Greeks and Romans and the Vikings had their heaven-like places, but not like the Christian heaven. They relied more, I think, on the stories of the bad angels coming down from heaven and taking on physical bodies to have sex with human women (Genesis chapter 6). The pagan gods were like that, with really mean and cruel characteristics. So why would Christians want to align themselves with beliefs like unto what the pagans professed, with their demon gods?

So, anyway, I amend my statement that no one considered a spirit world after death before Christ.....but their spirit worlds were not in any way like Christ's spirit world. I do continue to think that no one had any thought of going to a holy heaven to rule with the Holy One of God, Christ, over a Paradise Earth, or anything similar to that.

[marco]

Close but NOT havana cigar not far but not close to where we all are.

It's a little sumthin' sumthin' like a heaven, a little sumthin' like a hell.
Aint the same sumthin' its be on sumthin' else

What's you favorite branch of heaven
What's your favorite twiggy hell

Pick it, pickit well
And please, do tell do tell

Who CARES about fictional places?
They all be like fairy tells.

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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 72 by onewithhim]

I think its more the whole picture. A government made up of spirits that were once humans, ruling as a group over humans that live forever from all nations on the earth... this picture and the means for achieving that (ransom sacrifice) are like the seperate lines in a finger print making somthing that is collectively unique.

JW

[JehovahsWitness]

And Elijah was taken up into Heaven.

Elijah was taken up into the heavens (ie the sky) where birds fly. He didn't die and go to the spirit realm where God lives.

JW

[Elijah John]

And Elijah was taken up into Heaven.

Elijah was taken up into the heavens (ie the sky) where birds fly. He didn't die and go to the spirit realm where God lives.

JW

Is Elijah then, hovering in the sky still? Or did he fall back to earth.

[onewithhim]

And Elijah was taken up into Heaven.

Elijah was taken up into the heavens (ie the sky) where birds fly. He didn't die and go to the spirit realm where God lives.

JW

Is Elijah then, hovering in the sky still? Or did he fall back to earth.

I answered that in my post #69, in answer to a post of your own. You didn't bother to read it? I explained that Elijah went on, after going up in the sky in the chariot and thus being transferred to another location, to send messages to other kings, such as Jehoram of Judah. You can see this fact by looking at 2Chronicles 21:12-15.

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